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« Reply #16680 on: January 21, 2017, 03:14:49 AM »

Yes, but films should be only using the books, not trying to be faithful.

I read the novel once, and the film is much better than the novel.

Yea that last chapter of The Getaway was something else entirely.

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« Reply #16681 on: January 21, 2017, 06:47:05 AM »

Yes, but films should be only using the books, not trying to be faithful.

Yes - any faithful adaptation of a novel is almost bound to fail. Novels and films are such different mediums and should never really be compared.

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« Reply #16682 on: January 22, 2017, 09:55:20 AM »

Whole bunch of movie time this weekend with a range of eclectic viewings

It's Pat (1994) - 2/10
So fucking awful. But Ween is in it.

Cocktail (1988) - 6/10
It's just as shitty and fun as any other 80's Tom Cruise flick. That last 5 minutes though might be one of the worst and most ridiculous Hollywood endings ever.

The Wedding Singer (1998) - 8/10
It's not a great comedy, Drew Barrymore sucks, but I think this just about sets the standard for the modern popular rom-com. It's as good as the mainstream part of the genre gets. Good music, good characters, memorable scenes.

Margaret (2011) - 8/10
Manchester by the Sea set me off to see Lonerghan's other two films. You Can Count On Me was a very solid debut effort. Margaret is a challenging and open-ended work, and running at 3+ hours it's quite messy but in a forgivable and ambitious way. I can see why many consider this a masterpiece, but I'd have to see the 2.5 hour cut to make that call. One thing for sure is that few can match Lonerghan in writing dialogue. Some scenes in this and Manchester feel so real that they almost seem out of place in movie-world.

The Dead Zone (1983) - 9/10
Often overlooked Cronenberg/Stephen King movie. Thought this was a top-notch use of sci-fi grounded in the real world which many 80's gems pull off. One of the better Walken performances I've seen and a two-stories-in-one structure that works surprisingly well. Great entertainment, campy only where it should be and needs to be.

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« Reply #16683 on: January 23, 2017, 02:29:35 AM »

John Wick 4/10
The action was good. A few interesting situations too.

The Godfather - part I 9/10
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I've watched the first 15 minutes on DVD, the rest of it in streaming in HD. That DVD is (still) among the worst I've ever seen for such a high profile picture.

Django Unchained 7/10
Saw it for the 3rd time, while working. Perfect way to watch this movie: you can forget about the boring part and only follow the good ones.

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« Reply #16684 on: January 23, 2017, 02:47:30 AM »

John Wick 4/10
The action was good. A few interesting situations too.

The Godfather - part I 9/10
Nice.
I've watched the first 15 minutes on DVD, the rest of it in streaming in HD. That DVD is (still) among the worst I've ever seen for such a high profile picture.

Django Unchained 7/10
Saw it for the 3rd time, while working. Perfect way to watch this movie: you can forget about the boring part and only follow the good ones.

Re: The Godfather:

Why not BRD?

And If you give GF1 a 9/10, I don't know what the hell you give a 10/10 to. Yeah, I know: OUATITW, Zodiac and The Social Network, that's all. blah blah blah.

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« Reply #16685 on: January 23, 2017, 02:55:58 AM »

John Wick 4/10
The action was good.

But it was too much, wasn't it?

It only created an ego-shooter feeling with all these simple killings of dozens of faceless gangsters. The Wick character never became a real mythical figure, only the dialogue tries to create such an aura. I watched it with a "who cares" attitude.

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« Reply #16686 on: January 23, 2017, 05:51:02 AM »

But it was too much, wasn't it?

It only created an ego-shooter feeling with all these simple killings of dozens of faceless gangsters. The Wick character never became a real mythical figure, only the dialogue tries to create such an aura. I watched it with a "who cares" attitude.

I agree. Hopefully some of these dialogues kind of worked, but it's definitely not a real movie.

Re: The Godfather:

Why not BRD?

Because I don't own the BRD, and I don't own the DVD either. I was at my parents place and they have the DVD. I have a Netflix subscription though, so we ended up using it instead.

And If you give GF1 a 9/10, I don't know what the hell you give a 10/10 to. Yeah, I know: OUATITW, Zodiac and The Social Network, that's all. blah blah blah.

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Also, Blade Runner and Apocalypse Now (because it's Coppola's best by far)... and actually a few other ones but The Godfather isn't in that league.

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« Reply #16687 on: January 23, 2017, 07:20:23 AM »



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Also, Blade Runner and Apocalypse Now (because it's Coppola's best by far)... and actually a few other ones but The Godfather isn't in that league.


The Godfather 1 is in the same league as any movie anyone cares to name  Tongue

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« Reply #16688 on: January 23, 2017, 08:34:04 AM »

The Godfather 1 is in the same league as any movie anyone cares to name  Tongue

That's a dangerous statement.


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« Reply #16689 on: January 23, 2017, 02:24:57 PM »

I love The Godfather, but I like The Room even more.

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« Reply #16690 on: January 23, 2017, 02:44:09 PM »

Another league, man.

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« Reply #16691 on: January 23, 2017, 05:49:45 PM »

Yes, but films should be only using the books, not trying to be faithful.

I read the novel once, and the film is much better than the novel.

The whole last chapter is what makes the novel something more than just pulp. Without that last chapter included in the film, its just entertainment that is entirely enjoyable but ultimately forgettable.

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« Reply #16692 on: January 23, 2017, 11:35:26 PM »

The whole last chapter is what makes the novel something more than just pulp. Without that last chapter included in the film, its just entertainment that is entirely enjoyable but ultimately forgettable.

The film isn't forgettable at all thanks to the 2 romantic subplots and the way they are at center of everything - including the narration.

So, what's in that final chapter? You've made me very curious.

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« Reply #16693 on: January 24, 2017, 02:38:41 AM »

The whole last chapter is what makes the novel something more than just pulp. Without that last chapter included in the film, its just entertainment that is entirely enjoyable but ultimately forgettable.

No, definitely not. This last somehow surreal chapter would not fit with the film, which uses the book to cook its own soup. One important point is that "they get away with murder", while the novel in the end only has the usual crime does not pay end, though in a pretty bizarre variation.

As I said the film is much better than the novel.

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« Reply #16694 on: January 24, 2017, 03:48:38 AM »

Here are a few quotes about the ending of "The Getaway"

" but the ending was utterly bizarre and of a totally different character to the rest of the book. Even a surrealistic filmmaker like David Lynch would have struggled to do anything with it. A Peckinpah-like movie with a Lynch-like ending would have been a catastrophe"

" A lot of crime fiction aficionados donít like the surrealist ending of The Getaway.  I think that the ending is what makes this novel special.  After all thereís a reason that a book published as a throw away pulp fiction paperback in the late 1950s is still in print and we are still reading it and talking about it.

Doc and Carol are headed for sanctuary in the Kingdom of El Rey which is described as a hideaway for fugitives in Mexico.  El Rey, which means ďThe KingĒ in Spanish, has lavish first class accommodations.  In fact, residents are required to pay for first class accommodations, because they wanted everything first class in their previous lives.  However, when your money runs out, you are banished to an outlying village.  There is no food from the outside allowed in the village.  The residents exiled from El Rey survive by cannibalizing each other.  Therefore, couples who seek refuge in El Rey usually wind up murdering the other partner to conserve cash.  That is, the ones who donít commit suicide out of despair.  So, in the midst of first class villas by the sea and unlimited gourmet food and drink, everyone in El Rey is miserably awaiting their ultimate demise.

Obviously, all of this is not to be taken literally.  Because it is a radical departure from the realism of the rest of the book, a lot of readers over years have despised the ending.  I think that the allegory really begins before the fleeing couple get to El Rey.  After killing Rudy and his girlfriend, Doc and Carol flee in a stolen taxi.  Facing certain capture, they are rescued by crime family matriarch Ma Santis.  Ma Santis hides the couple out first in underwater caves where the space is no bigger than a coffin and then in a lean-to hidden in a manure pile.

This entire episode is heavy with symbolism.  Doc and Carol have to strip naked and dive into a water filled pit to get to the cave hideaway.  The rooms in the caves are just big enough to lie down in and Doc and Carol are separated by a wall of rock.  Obviously, this represents death and the grave.

Then after coming up from the pit, Doc and Carol hide out in a lean two hidden inside a pile of cow manure. During the day, they are faced with swarms of flies and worms.  Itís not difficult to figure out that this represents that, although still technically alive, Doc and Carol are decaying corpses.

Then Ma Santis arranges for Carol and Doc to be taken to Mexico by a Portuguese fishing boat Captain. The body count again mounts up when they have to kill the crew of a Coast Guard Patrol Boat.  I think that the boat ride represents the ferrying of the dead across the River Stix to the underworld in Greek mythology.

El Rey is the Devil and his Kingdom is Hell.  For a novel that is a fast paced conventional crime novel until 2/3 of the way through, all of this symbolism and allegory has been tough for a lot of readers to take. "

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