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« #10935 : September 26, 2012, 02:53:45 PM »

Once Upon a time in the West (1968) 10/10  O0 Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)  10/10 O0 - Shockproof (1949) 6/10

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« #10936 : September 26, 2012, 05:27:48 PM »

Once Upon a time in the West (1968) 10/10  O0 Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)  10/10 O0 - Shockproof (1949) 6/10

The next time I watch a Leone film, it will be OUATITW. But I don't plan on seeing Alfredo Garcia ever again


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« #10937 : September 26, 2012, 07:52:01 PM »

The Rain People (1969) 8/10

A very interesting movie starring Shirley Knight, James Caan, and Robert Duvall, directed by Francis Ford Coppola.

There's frequent use of flashbacks here that I'm not certain are entirely necessary. The characters are certainly going through a lot (in the present and/or the past). Everything that occurs in the flashbacks is already revealed to us in dialogue, so the flashbacks are certainly not necessary to reveal what happened. You can argue that the point is to revel to us a memory that the character is having at the moment, what the character is thinking about at the time, but the problem is that while that ic correct in some instances, it's not the case in others. Or perhaps you can argue that the flashbacks -- filmed in a sort of documentary/sped up-/in your face style -- just serve in general to reveal to us that there's lots of tension in the background of these characters, ie. to reveal to us the general mood, as opposed to telling us specific information. Who knows. I am sort of debating myself whether or not it was necessary.

Anyway, it's a fun time. And James Caan is absolutely amazing playing a slow-witted character (he is a former college football player who suffered a head injury and subsequent mental disability).


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« #10938 : September 26, 2012, 10:09:56 PM »

OH, MAN ! shirley knight was one hot blond circa 1963   O0

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« #10939 : September 27, 2012, 02:40:39 AM »

The next time I watch a Leone film, it will be OUATITW. But I don't plan on seeing Alfredo Garcia ever again
your loss watch it when you get older you may change your mind PS Ebert does a good review


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« #10940 : September 27, 2012, 03:08:58 AM »

How Did You Do It, Billy? (1992). A series of interviews with Billy Wilder, conducted by Volker Schlondorf, done in three parts for British television, and unavailable for viewing for 20 years.

I bought the dvd 5 years ago.


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« #10941 : September 27, 2012, 03:32:53 AM »

I bought the dvd 5 years ago.

of the short version or of this full version?
I know that this extended version shown at Film Forum is the longer version which apparently has never been shown in America. Has the long version been available in Europe?

Also, I am wondering if this interview (the short version, of course) has been included on the bonus features of the dvd of one of Wilder's movies? Cuz somehow I feel that I MUST have seen it; I distinctly recall watching an interview with Wilder -- I believe on one of his dvd's bonus features -- with a German interviewer, and the conversation moves back and forth between English and German. It must have been this interview, but I just can't recall where I've seen it....

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On an unrelated note: the Criterion dvd of Ace in the Hole is a 2-disc set, with the second disc comprised entirely of bonus features, including a long interview with French critic Michel Ciment, and lots of other great stuff. It is an amazing disc, and I highly recommend that any Wilder fan check out it out  :)


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« #10942 : September 27, 2012, 03:43:49 AM »

of the short version or of this full version?
I know that this extended version shown at Film Forum is the longer version which apparently has never been shown in America. Has the long version been available in Europe?

Also, I am wondering if this interview (the short version, of course) has been included on the bonus features of the dvd of one of Wilder's movies? Cuz somehow I feel that I MUST have seen it; I distinctly recall watching an interview with Wilder -- I believe on one of his dvd's bonus features -- with a German interviewer, and the conversation moves back and forth between English and German. It must have been this interview, but I just can't recall where I've seen it....

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On an unrelated note: the Criterion dvd of Ace in the Hole is a 2-disc set, with the second disc comprised entirely of bonus features, including a long interview with French critic Michel Ciment, and lots of other great stuff. It is an amazing disc, and I highly recommend that any Wilder fan check out it out  :)

I donìt know about the short version. I saw the three-part interview on tv (I would have bet it was the '80's, but it seems I'm wrong on that) and the dvd (currently available in a different release from the one I have) it is exactly as the program I saw. I should check the running time, but first I have to find it and that I have no time for. Anyway, this is the italian release in two dvd's (on one dvd is Double Indemnity) currently available:



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« #10943 : September 27, 2012, 03:48:26 AM »

didn't Wilder supposedly ban the release of this interview until after he died? (Then how could you have seen it in thee 80's -- he died in 2002?)
That's another reason I am so sure I have seen this -- besides for the fact that i remember seeing an interview where he frequently speaks German, I also clearly remember him saying that it can't be released during his lifetime, but that after he dies, it's ok. So it MUST have been this one that I saw; I just can't seem to remember which movie's bonus features it was on....


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« #10944 : September 27, 2012, 04:03:05 AM »

didn't Wilder supposedly ban the release of this interview until after he died? (Then how could you have seen it in thee 80's -- he died in 2002?)
That's another reason I am so sure I have seen this -- besides for the fact that i remember seeing an interview where he frequently speaks German, I also clearly remember him saying that it can't be released during his lifetime, but that after he dies, it's ok. So it MUST have been this one that I saw; I just can't seem to remember which movie's bonus features it was on....

Actually I couldn't have seen it befgore it was made. But that it was aired almost two decades ago on italian tv is sure. I doubt that, being 3 hours long, that it could be in the bonus features of any dvd except in excerpts.


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« #10945 : September 28, 2012, 10:09:28 AM »

I doubt that, being 3 hours long, that it could be in the bonus features of any dvd except in excerpts.

I think it was a shortened version, this 3-hour version has just been released in America for the first time


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« #10946 : September 28, 2012, 10:19:47 AM »

The Hustler (1961) 9/10


The performances here are all terrific: Paul Newman, Piper Laurie, Jackie Gleason, George C. Scott


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Breathless (1960) 10/10

I am really not a fan of jump cuts -- and btw, many of the jump cuts are only there cuz Godard had to chop the movie as its running time was too long -- I actually really like when long scenes have continuous shots. It's kind of interesting that many of these New Wave films are famous for a documentary style, when in fact, long continuous shots -- and not jump cuts -- are generally associated with documentary filmmaking.

I really think that what Seberg does at the end, and her explanation for it, is silly. But anyway, this is a terrific movie. That long scene between Belmondo and Seberg in her hotel room is awesome.

Reading up on Seberg's life, and watching the bonus features on the Criterion documentary, what a terribly sad story  :'(

I saw the Criterion blu ray; I was unaware that the English subtitles on the final dialogue differ between various dvd's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathless_%281960_film%29#Closing_dialogue    Any French-speakers here have an opinion on what's the best translation?

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« #10947 : September 28, 2012, 10:38:26 AM »

French version:

MICHEL: C'est vraiment dégueulasse.
PATRICIA: Qu'est ce qu'il a dit?
VITAL: Il a dit que vous êtes vraiment "une dégueulasse".
PATRICIA: Qu'est ce que c'est "dégueulasse"?

There is no perfect translation. "Dégueulasse" is an adjective. It means disgusting/gross (in a very familiar way of saying so). But can also mean that the action, the situation or the person is unfair. Hence the "bitch". The whole idea of the dialogue is to play with that double meaning.

Then:

MICHEL: C'est vraiment dégueulasse.
=> He means either "this is really disgusting" or "that was really bitchy"
We cannot know what he is talking about. Dying is unfair? What she did was not cool?

PATRICIA: Qu'est ce qu'il a dit?
=> "What did he say?"

VITAL: Il a dit que vous êtes vraiment "une dégueulasse".
=> Vital went for the "That was really bitchy" meaning. He removes any ambiguity.

PATRICIA: Qu'est ce que c'est "dégueulasse"?
=> "What's that mean, dégueulasse?"
Double-meaning from Godard: she really doesn't know what the word mean, and Godard tries to ask the audience a philosophical question (and fails because he was a filmmaker and NEVER was a philosopher, but it's still a good movie).



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« #10948 : September 28, 2012, 11:09:57 AM »

I bought the dvd 5 years ago.
3-hour version?



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« #10949 : September 28, 2012, 12:56:39 PM »

French version:

MICHEL: C'est vraiment dégueulasse.
PATRICIA: Qu'est ce qu'il a dit?
VITAL: Il a dit que vous êtes vraiment "une dégueulasse".
PATRICIA: Qu'est ce que c'est "dégueulasse"?

There is no perfect translation. "Dégueulasse" is an adjective. It means disgusting/gross (in a very familiar way of saying so). But can also mean that the action, the situation or the person is unfair. Hence the "bitch". The whole idea of the dialogue is to play with that double meaning.

Then:

MICHEL: C'est vraiment dégueulasse.
=> He means either "this is really disgusting" or "that was really bitchy"
We cannot know what he is talking about. Dying is unfair? What she did was not cool?

PATRICIA: Qu'est ce qu'il a dit?
=> "What did he say?"

VITAL: Il a dit que vous êtes vraiment "une dégueulasse".
=> Vital went for the "That was really bitchy" meaning. He removes any ambiguity.

PATRICIA: Qu'est ce que c'est "dégueulasse"?
=> "What's that mean, dégueulasse?"
Double-meaning from Godard: she really doesn't know what the word mean, and Godard tries to ask the audience a philosophical question (and fails because he was a filmmaker and NEVER was a philosopher, but it's still a good movie).

well no matter what translation you use, the point is that Vital's translation was mistaken; Michel was talking about the situation, and Vital repeated it as if he was talking about her, right?


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