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« Reply #14025 on: October 07, 2014, 11:30:36 AM »

Yeah, when it comes down to it I'd probably have closer to your rating if not for the subjective humor though. Beyond the music points I'd have to add some for Phoenix's character, performances from him, Brolin, Waterston, Martin Short, etc. and it at least being entertaining even through non-funny moments, despite the ridiculous plot. I didn't really notice anything wrong with the editing though ...do you mean in the sense of cutting whole scenes in general, or specific editing within scenes? I can understand the former, not so much the latter ...worked fine for me.
I'm talking mostly about scene transitions--very jarring at times. Of course, this could have been intentional (in the way that, for example, Rodriguez and Tarantino used cutting to evoke the inept "style" of old exploitation films in Grindhouse), but if so, PTA should have showed his hand more clearly. I just found a lot of the CUT TO cuts annoying.
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Another point is that PTA compares it to North by Northwest - where nobody remembers the plot, yet everyone remembers the specific scenes. In that sense the plot is secondary to what you really remember. I agree with this, and it's also true of The Big Lebowski. No matter how many times I watch those films (I've probably only seen NxW a few times, Lebowski several) I never remember the plot - only their memorable scenes (plane chase, Rushmore, Lebowski's dream sequences, bowling, etc.). The difference between these is that Lebowski and NxW are not only better movies, but their plots are at least coherent when you re-watch them.
I don't have any problem remembering the plots of either of the films you mention. In fact, its the plots themselves that have brought me back to those films for re-watches. NxNW is a masterpiece of story construction, and Lebowski isn't far behind (the screenplays for both have been published and, I believe, are still in print). For me, film set pieces are the icing, the stories are the cake.
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Furthermore, the memorability of their scenes comes with them being so visual - because Inherent Vice is more or less just [good] dialogue and close-ups, it's far less memorable.
You make a good case for throwing away the cameras and just making a radio drama or very fancy audio book out of IV.
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Most of what actually comes to mind when I think back at IV are the scenes involving Doc and Shasta (the short, 'ugly-beautiful' flashback of them running through the rain and the emotional long take later on).
Which are, of course, clichés, to which PTA has added nothing. It's really unfortunate that visually the film is such a bust.

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« Reply #14026 on: October 07, 2014, 12:02:01 PM »

Didn't have a problem with any cuts really. And I guess I just suck at remembering plot-based stuff... always have. Guess it makes re-watching more rewarding for me. Hah, good point on the fancy audio book ... maybe so. I wouldn't say it's a visual bust, but the subject matter absolutely has more potential beyond close-ups and two shots. There really were some excellent shots in there, but they don't remain on screen long enough to do it justice.

Sin City: A Dame to Kill For - 6.5/10
bleh, it's whatever. at times it takes itself way too fucking seriously... during scenes where maybe an 11 year old would think is bad-ass. super overstylized with noir that sometimes adds to a strange charm but most of the time is distracting and annoying. fun way to kill 90-some minutes. cast is great. Can't really remember the first one (go figure) but I remember it more or less left the same impression

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« Reply #14027 on: October 07, 2014, 12:27:14 PM »

Veronika Voss - 7-8/10 - Lousy plot. Great direction and mise-en-scene. Wonderful black humor. Worth watching once, not sure if I'd watch it again.
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Great B&W photography, though. Worth it just for the images.
Also for the wipes between scenes. They never use the same one twice, and some are pretty fancy. I like the cast a lot, especially the principals. And RWF's cameo is choice. And, apparently, that's Peter Zadek playing a film director in the fashion of Ophuls in the filmmaking scene. I have to admit, though, I get a bit tired of "Memories Are Made of This."

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« Reply #14028 on: October 07, 2014, 09:43:14 PM »

Gone Girl - 9/10
Ahh now here's an unexpectedly excellent movie. A statement on media obsession / married life disguised as a mystery. Fincher at the top of his game, this year he definitely tops PTA for me (funny that Inherent Vice fails at disguising deeper meaning with a large plot yet gone girl does it so brilliantly - best 'media statement' movie i can think of other than Ace in the Hole). brilliantly composed movie and maybe my favorite from fincher - and I really wasn't interested whatsoever.

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« Reply #14029 on: October 08, 2014, 07:13:01 PM »

The Raid: Redemption - 6/10
The Raid 2: Berandal - 6.5/10

Weak characters, generic plots, awesomely choreographed and directed over-the-top fight scenes. It's like watching porn for the story - would I have rather saved some time and watched Youtube clips of the fights?

It's awesomely violent and badass but after a while it gets old ...seen one fight, you've seen 'em all. DJ's 10/10 a few months back inspired me to watch these...  I like inherent vice better.

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« Reply #14030 on: October 09, 2014, 02:35:51 AM »

"lazy filmmaking" as noodles_leone would say.

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Gone Girl - 9/10
Ahh now here's an unexpectedly excellent movie. A statement on media obsession / married life disguised as a mystery. Fincher at the top of his game, this year he definitely tops PTA for me (funny that Inherent Vice fails at disguising deeper meaning with a large plot yet gone girl does it so brilliantly - best 'media statement' movie i can think of other than Ace in the Hole). brilliantly composed movie and maybe my favorite from fincher - and I really wasn't interested whatsoever.

Watching it tonight. It's been released yesterday in France and I tried very hard to go and watch it on the first day but I have never had as much work as I have now, I almost don't sleep anymore (and that's an understatement).
I wasn't excited by this movie at first: unappealing cast, uninteresting pitch and deceptive first trailer. Since then the amazing reviews, the fascinating Fincher interviews and the great new trailers have convinced me it could be the movie of the year.

The Wolf Of Wall Street - 8.5/10
So I had to work yesterday evening. Still watched my TWOWS BD while doing some editing. Great stuff. Between this one, Gravity, The Master and Llewyn Davis, last year was an amazing year for cinema. Probably the best year since 2007: No Country for Old Men, Zodiac, The Departed... We even got a (lesser) Wright movie.
NB: I'm using about French release dates (for example the master = january 2013 instead of september 2012).

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« Reply #14031 on: October 09, 2014, 05:28:59 AM »

The Raid: Redemption - 6/10
The Raid 2: Berandal - 6.5/10

Weak characters
Kinda beside the point, nicht wahr?

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« Reply #14032 on: October 09, 2014, 05:33:14 AM »

Between this one, Gravity Gangster Squad, The Master and Llewyn Davis, last year was an amazing year for cinema. Probably the best year since 2007: No Country for Old Men, Zodiac, The Departed...
Couldn't agree with you more!

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« Reply #14033 on: October 09, 2014, 08:51:11 AM »

I succeeded in watching almost a whole scene of GS without breaking my TV so there is that.

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« Reply #14034 on: October 09, 2014, 09:06:08 AM »

I succeeded in watching almost a whole scene of GS without breaking my TV so there is that.
I hope your TV is the size of a barn. This is not designed for small screens!

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« Reply #14035 on: October 09, 2014, 10:50:15 AM »

It's a big TV and unfortunately I was close. Are bad dialogues also designed for big screen only?

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« Reply #14036 on: October 09, 2014, 08:19:18 PM »

Ryan Gosling's mumbling can only be appreciated in Sensurround.

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« Reply #14037 on: October 10, 2014, 12:20:33 AM »

Gone Girl (2014) - 3/5

Its good but I just don't see the big deal.

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« Reply #14038 on: October 10, 2014, 01:23:41 AM »

Gone Girl - 8/10
We're in The Girl With A Dragon Tattoo territory: brilliantly executed ok script.
Most of the cast is incredible, Affleck is quite good (his best part ever). Fincher is Fincher so it's 2h29 of filmmaking porn. The media and marriage satire part does a lot for the movie. Third act a little slow for a first viewing, I'll see how it holds up 20 viewings.

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« Reply #14039 on: October 10, 2014, 06:24:34 AM »

MARTIN SCORSESE PRESENTS MASTERPIECES OF POLISH CINEMA

This package is touring now and includes beautifully restored DCPs of all the titles. A lot of the usual suspects, of course (Ashes and Diamonds, The Saragossa Manuscript, Man of Iron) but also several titles I've never seen which aren't yet available on home video. So I went up to the Jacob Burns last night and gave a couple of these films a try.

Night Train (1959) - 7/10. One of those Grand-Hotel-on-wheels type of stories. It's a holiday weekend, and everyone is off to the seaside. We are introduced to our cast of characters: a middle-aged man in sunglasses who wants to be alone; a married woman on the make and her lawyer husband; a bottle-blonde in between unhappy love affairs; the young man pursuing the blonde (played by Pretty Boy from Ashes and Diamonds); a sailor in permanent chat-up mode and the object of his interest; various and sundry other passengers; male and female railroad employees who may or may not be attracted to each other. Their paths temporarily intertwine and all are changed by the experience. Just to make things even more exciting, the newspaper has a story about a fugitive murderer  . . . later the train makes an unscheduled stop, and the State Police come on board. They aren't smiling.

The b&w photography is fantastic. The camera moves a lot at the beginning and end of the journey; less so when everyone is crammed in compartments and corridors. But everything is stunningly beautiful. The restoration must have been years in the making: I can't believe prints of this ever looked this good. I hope this will soon be available in 1080p.

Black Cross / The Teutonic Knights (1960) - 4/10. Poland's answer to, oh, Prince Valiant, in 2.35:1 and Eastmancolor. And it's a crashing bore. Visually everything looks cheap (thank you, N_L) with costumes that look fresh off the rack, tacky beards and wigs, wildlife that clearly comes from zoos, obvious studio interiors, empty frames, groups of horsemen that never number more than five, and inept focus pulling. There's tons of plot, but the characters are wooden and it's difficult to care about anything they do. The film is 175 minutes long, but I could only give it about an hour before walking out. Never again.

Here's the complete list of films in the series:

Ashes and Diamonds
Austeria
Man of Iron
Camouflage
The Illumination
A Short Film About Killing
The Saragossa Manuscript
Black Cross
The Constant Factor
Night Train
Blind Chance
The Promised Land
The Last Day of Summer
The Wedding
Mother Joan of the Angels
Pharaoh

I'm guessing some or all of these titles will come out on video in a box set or sets, maybe even from Criterion.

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