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« Reply #16425 on: November 03, 2016, 03:59:07 PM »

Better than all these things already are? Tricky ...

He managed to do exactly that on his later films: Prisoners, Sicario, and according to the reviews, First Contact. Even Ennemy has most of the list checked too.

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« Reply #16426 on: November 04, 2016, 10:29:33 AM »

Thief (1981) 5/5



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« Reply #16427 on: November 04, 2016, 04:15:05 PM »

Hacksaw Ridge (2016) - 10/10. A C.O. fights for his right to serve as a medic in WW2. For his troubles he is sent to bloody Okinawa . . . where he saves the lives of 57 men (or thereabouts). It's a new Sgt. York, except the main character doesn't finally pussy out and pick up a rifle. He stays true to his convictions. And the opening titles don't claim this is BASED on a true story, they claim it IS a true story. At the end there is (as is now the custom) bits of footage of the real-life participants. This film is so good I was able to ignore the awful music.

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« Reply #16428 on: November 04, 2016, 05:16:17 PM »

Hacksaw Ridge (2016) - 10/10. A C.O. fights for his right to serve as a medic in WW2. For his troubles he is sent to bloody Okinawa . . . where he saves the lives of 57 men (or thereabouts). It's a new Sgt. York, except the main character doesn't finally pussy out and pick up a rifle. He stays true to his convictions. And the opening titles don't claim this is BASED on a true story, they claim it IS a true story. At the end there is (as is now the custom) bits of footage of the real-life participants. This film is so good I was able to ignore the awful music.
a DJ 10?! It thought the trailers looked awful. Now I will see it.

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« Reply #16429 on: November 05, 2016, 06:53:13 AM »

Hacksaw Ridge (2016) - 6/10
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Has anyone seen Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox story? It's one of the best satires I've ever seen - it mocks Hollywood biopics to a T. The formulaic structure, blatantly obvious dialogue and expository references, overly glossy cinematography, dull character arcs that lack subtly... everything. It's movies like Hacksaw Ridge that make Walk Hard so brilliant.

Hacksaw starts off in the heat of the action in an era where the bulk of the story takes place - we briefly meet the protagonist. Then what? Flashback to a poor family in the 1940's, where a specific traumatic childhood experiences will effect the protagonist in a profound way that changes him forever. Never seen that one before - a violent, abusive father and innocent mother too?

Then the character grows up in the ever so happy small town 1940's, where everything is fine and dandy and glossy and perfect - a bashful main characters meets a nice young lady in the downtown hospital! Horribly cliche dialogues and full scenes that would make a daytime soap opera cringe ("you'll have to give me a kiss!"). Idiots would call the happy-perfect-40's-melodrama "brilliant in contrast to the brutal horrors to come"....in reality it's just obvious, predictable and annoying.

And then forget about the boot camp scenes... literally take every cliche boot camp scene from every mediocre war movie, mash them all into one, and then make it as corny as possible. It's bad. And then the trial... lol.

I understand that this "is a true story", and obviously I'm criticizing things that "really happened". It's much less the content and more the dull, formulaic approach to the content that makes it so awful.

In Okinawa is where the movie turns from a 3 to a 6 - Gibson was clearly in it for the battle scenes. They're done with intense close-quarters realism that I think is barely matched in most war films. The cliche melodrama bullshit is mostly dropped, though with a few iffy moments (particularly Doss having a forced dramatic monologue when his friend dies before he decides to embark on his true mission). Other than that it's a unique and interesting war film for its subject matter alone. There's nothing much more I can specifically praise other than that I enjoyed the movie a lot more in its second half. I was surprised to not have an awful "return to home" scene at the end.

Its not bad overall thanks to the second half, but its no better than other generic corny period-piece drudge this year like The Finest Hours. I wouldn't be so mean to this movie if I didn't feel I had to combat the overwhelming praise...but seriously... it's pretty average. The only bad thing DJ has to say about it is the music? It's just as generic as the rest of the movie, and surprisingly handled with subtly in the second half.

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« Reply #16430 on: November 05, 2016, 09:34:22 AM »

Calm down, Junior. It's only a movie.

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« Reply #16431 on: November 05, 2016, 10:20:43 AM »

Calm down, Junior. It's only a movie.
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« Reply #16432 on: November 05, 2016, 10:25:12 AM »

Calm down, Junior. It's only a movie.

You started it.

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« Reply #16433 on: November 05, 2016, 01:12:48 PM »

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« Reply #16434 on: November 05, 2016, 02:22:33 PM »

And then forget about the boot camp scenes... literally take every cliche boot camp scene from every mediocre war movie, mash them all into one, and then make it as corny as possible. It's bad.
The reason boot camp scenes come off clichéd is because boot camp is the same for everybody. The only thing that changes is the uniforms and some of the drills, but pretty much what they were doing in WW2 is what they did when I went through basic 40 years ago. Maybe the only real change was that basic went from 12 weeks to 8. Otherwise, the film depicts pretty much what I remember. Perhaps this is an example of life experiences altering reception, but I found these scenes riveting. When the guys in the film had to negotiate the horizontal ladder--a 10 second shot at most--I was watching closely because when I had to do it the bars turned, which made it a sonofabitch (I didn't see the bars turning in the film--were they cheating, or was that obstacle actually easier back in the day? This is something I'll be pondering for some time to come). You don't care anything about these kinds of details, though, because you've led a different life. These kind of scenes bore you . . . we'll I'm not alone, there are plenty who find that these scenes, ahem, "resonate."

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I understand that this "is a true story", and obviously I'm criticizing things that "really happened". It's much less the content and more the dull, formulaic approach to the content that makes it so awful.
Fair enough. What do you think the filmmakers could have done to alter their approach? I'd like to know. I remember when American Sniper came out some ass on this board criticized the pre-war material in that film as being clichéd and uninspired, when in fact Eastwood made some wonderful editing choices to keep things zinging along. Well, if Eastwood, a better filmmaker than Gibson, is going to take stick for a war film's prolegomena, then there will never be any pleasing some people. But if you think Gibson really could have done things differently, I'm all ears. Did I mention in my basic training company, we even had a guy called "Hollywood"?

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« Reply #16435 on: November 05, 2016, 05:16:25 PM »

The reason boot camp scenes come off clichéd is because boot camp is the same for everybody.

Never say, "The reason is because ..." That is redundant. Say, "The reason is that ... "  Wink

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« Reply #16436 on: November 05, 2016, 11:08:02 PM »

The Lover/L'Amant (1992) 7.5/10

Jane March was terrific.

I did not like the narration (and the old Jeanne Moreau's voice was not good), and the last scene in black-and-white is stupid. But otherwise this is pretty good. At one point, I said, "enough sex - this is getting stupid," and, thankfully enough, the sex stopped less than a minute later, hardly to return. So, I do not think they overdid it. If once upon a time this was considered pornography, it was done pretty tastefully.

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« Reply #16437 on: November 06, 2016, 05:55:22 AM »

Fair enough. What do you think the filmmakers could have done to alter their approach? I'd like to know. I remember when American Sniper came out some ass on this board criticized the pre-war material in that film as being clichéd and uninspired, when in fact Eastwood made some wonderful editing choices to keep things zinging along. Well, if Eastwood, a better filmmaker than Gibson, is going to take stick for a war film's prolegomena, then there will never be any pleasing some people. But if you think Gibson really could have done things differently, I'm all ears. Did I mention in my basic training company, we even had a guy called "Hollywood"?

I'll start by saying I take back my attack on American Sniper - firstly, I thought it was a fantastic movie from the first viewing despite my criticisms of it's opening act. I couldn't agree more about the rhythm of the opening either, and overall it was a very well balanced film.

What sets me off in any movie regarding its structure is the specific childhood flashback. It's way too overdone and predictable, but worst of all forced. Taking a traumatic or not-so-traumatic specific incident from childhood to begin the path for an entire character is always just a lame approach for me. American Sniper began to take the same structure, with an opening flashback that practically just says "gosh, I'ma be a sniper one day, daddy!". With Hacksaw Ridge it's the obvious "gosh, I did one bad thing, so I'll never harm anyone again, ever!". It's a lazy way to start building a character arc and doesn't feel realistic. If you're gonna show the childhood, don't show a specific incident that formed a character, but instead have the character already living in that mindset, and write a scene in a more clever way that builds the character and reveals that trait without the obvious exposition.

As far as how I think Gibson could have done a better job, I'd mainly pinpoint the dialogue and the over-romanticized tone. The structure is predictable to begin with, and maybe that was the right choice in the long run. But the whole first half leading up to the war was done with over-the-top glossiness and melodrama, with scenes that fail at being fun and light-hearted and wind up being completely corny (bashful Doss first approaches the girl, the kisses after the movie).... and also scenes that fail at being dramatic  (the dad bursting into the courtroom to save the day ...I'd like proof that this actually happened). The photography doesn't help either - it looks way too manufactured, way too vibrant to the point where it obviously suggests "look! these are the happy parts of the movie!". American Sniper has more or less the same structure, but much quicker, less romanticized, and more consistent in tone with the movie as a whole.

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The reason boot camp scenes come off clichéd is because boot camp is the same for everybody. The only thing that changes is the uniforms and some of the drills, but pretty much what they were doing in WW2 is what they did when I went through basic 40 years ago. Maybe the only real change was that basic went from 12 weeks to 8. Otherwise, the film depicts pretty much what I remember. Perhaps this is an example of life experiences altering reception, but I found these scenes riveting. When the guys in the film had to negotiate the horizontal ladder--a 10 second shot at most--I was watching closely because when I had to do it the bars turned, which made it a sonofabitch (I didn't see the bars turning in the film--were they cheating, or was that obstacle actually easier back in the day? This is something I'll be pondering for some time to come). You don't care anything about these kinds of details, though, because you've led a different life. These kind of scenes bore you . . . we'll I'm not alone, there are plenty who find that these scenes, ahem, "resonate."

Now this makes me more curious than anything - because yeah, you're right, obviously I've never actually gone to boot camp. So my perception of boot camp is based solely on movies and stories from people I've known (in a more present era which doesn't really count as much I'd assume).

You say Hacksaw Ridge is completely accurate to your experiences ...how would you say Full Metal Jacket holds up in realism? Aside from the whole murder-suicide part, I always felt that those scenes were realistic in depicting the day-by-day redundancy without going too overboard on over-the-top characters and bad jokes. I'm not critiquing the actual details of the camp and obstacles in Hacksaw Ridge, I'm more critiquing the character-types and style. I'm sure that in any boot camp, movies or real life, the types of characters you meet will stay relatively consistent among all of them. I just think Hacksaw could have been a bit subtler in presenting their stereotypes.

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« Reply #16438 on: November 06, 2016, 06:05:37 AM »

The Lover/L'Amant (1992) 7.5/10
If once upon a time this was considered pornography, it was done pretty tastefully.


Pornography? Never.

It is a soft sex film, more interested in the sex scenes than for the story necessary. But the whole concept is a softened one.

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« Reply #16439 on: November 06, 2016, 08:28:45 AM »

I also liked Hacksaw Ridge, saw it last night.  Battle scenes were graphic, likely realistic, like in Saving Private Ryan.

Two things did bother me a little:
1.  Nurse/wife was just too hot for him !!!

2.  Who built that rope ladder thing, and why didn't the Japanese just cut that/destroy that so the Americans could not access the cliff/ridge in that way?

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