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« on: September 01, 2008, 01:23:22 AM »


Gods and Generals follows the rise and fall of legendary war hero Lt. Gen. Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson (Stephen Lang). The prequel to the 1993 hit Gettysburg.

Being the history buff that I am, Civil War history is something I'm into quite a bit. However, I've put off "Gods and Generals" since it was released because of the mixed-reviews that it's received.

I'm sure there's some here who've seen this. If so, I'd like to read some of your thoughts. Thank you!

Robert Duvall, Jeff Daniels, and Mira Sorvino also star.


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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 06:57:18 AM »

Loved the subject matter. Hated the execution. Saw it with my dad; he liked it.

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 07:25:53 AM »

Worth watching, mainly because of Stephen Lang.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 11:05:31 AM »

I saw it in theaters, which is really IMO the only way to see this. I was really blown away, and strangely, so was my brother. I have it on DVD, but I believe I've only watched it the whole way through once on video - although I occasionally watch the battle-scenes on their own.

It's way too long, and there are many, many bits which could have been cut out to no ill-effect (pretty much ANY of the scenes with Jackson and the Virginia family, or at lot of the pointless supporting characters). Strangely, given the film's focus, it also skips over a lot of important subject matter, like Jackson's Valley Campaign, the Seven Days', and Antietam (which was filmed but cut out at the last minute). Jumping more or less straight from Bull Run to Fredericksburg was a big mistake, IMO, especially given the length of the film. The unabashedly pro-Southern viewpoint might bother some, although I didn't find it particularly offensive. On the other hand, it's a lot more cinematic than its predecessor, Gettysburg (which was, of course, a miniseries expanded to film length), in terms of battles, production values, cinematography, etc. The battle scenes are all fantastic, particularly the clash of the Irish Brigades at Fredericksburg and the whole Chancellorsville sequence. Randy Edelman's score is excellent, too. Stephen Lang is phenomenal as Stonewall Jackson; the rest of the cast is merely okay (Robert Duvall is a great Lee, but he has little to do, and Jeff Daniels is shunted to the background for most of the story). I'd give it a 7/10, 10/10 for the battle scenes but a 4 or 5 for the rest of it.

The worst thing about it is that it was such a stupendous failure, that the last part of the trilogy, The Last Full Measure, will probably never be made - at least with the original cast members, or any time in the near-future.

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 11:55:22 AM »


jenkins, Tuco and Groggy. Thanks for the insight into the film. I'll definitely check it out at some point.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2011, 12:04:16 AM »

Extended cut is coming in May.
http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/directors-cuts-of-gods-and-generals-and-gettysburg-to-arrive-in-stores-may-24/
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 02:32:43 PM »

I'm interested in seeing the Antietam footage. Otherwise I'll pass.

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 10:51:42 PM »

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You'd like that, wouldn't you.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »

You'd like that, wouldn't you.

For the sake of tradition, yes.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 11:38:05 PM »

For the sake of tradition, yes.

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2011, 01:40:26 PM »

Groggy's review is spot on. But I also wondered throughout the vision if Jackson's wife was as ugly as the actress portraying it in the movie (Kali Rocha). Even if she was (can't find photos in the net)  they might have taken some liberty like they took with Jackson, who is made to look like Welles in Arkadin. As already pointed out by Groggy, these scenes are superfluous, but if they had to stay there they might have given them some beauty.
I was impressed by the suicidal tactics the Union army adopted and which were perfected in WWI. This rehabilitates Indians runaround tactics when assaulting pioneers convoys.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 02:49:06 PM »

The release of Gettysburg and G&G on the same day is extremely fortunate. As you may remember, the actor Stephen Lang is in both films: he plays Pickett in Gettysburg, and Jackson in G&G. A new generation of unsuspecting viewers are about to get both barrels of Jenkins's latest Evil Twin theory! Evil

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011, 09:30:08 AM »

I was impressed by the suicidal tactics the Union army adopted and which were perfected in WWI. This rehabilitates Indians runaround tactics when assaulting pioneers convoys.

As GBU shows, this was even worse in the later days of the war as trench warfare gained prominence. Something like 10,000 people died in ten minutes at Cold Harbor, if memory serves. It's a pity that military leaders learned almost nothing from the US Civil War.

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 01:40:11 PM »

There wasn't anything to learn UNTIL new technology made new tactics possible (as for example the introduction of tanks, aircraft, etc.).

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