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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 03:51:45 PM »

In the documentary on Jackson in the dvd pictures of his two wives are shown. Well the actress in the movie looks very much like his first wife, the second being passable and for the times, probably a beauty. It's possible that when casting somebody got the matter mixed up.

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 07:28:54 PM »

I didn't think Kali Rocha was that bad-looking.

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 07:52:04 PM »

I didn't think Kali Rocha was that bad-looking.




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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 08:17:08 PM »

Meh. Not a gorgeous woman to be sure, but not exactly hideous either.

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2011, 04:28:29 PM »

There wasn't anything to learn UNTIL new technology made new tactics possible (as for example the introduction of tanks, aircraft, etc.).

Shelby Foote affirms, in one of the extras of the dvd, that tactics stood behind the technological progress (represented basically, at the time, by the rifle).  I don't think he uses that word carelessly. Same with Fuller's Decisive Battles (I checked it today). And it is apparent by watching these movies that tactics in use were stale, if not ridiculous. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2011, 05:09:01 PM »

Tactics and technology go hand-in-hand. Rifling meant that volleying was no longer necessary because individual soldiers could fire with great accuracy; the greater battlefield lethality produced made cover and concealment necessary (something earlier tacticians didn't worry about), hence the trenches; but you can only hold ground with entrenchment, you couldn't take ground, and taking ground is the sine qua non of war; so, men had to charge entrenched positions even though it was costly; but, the tactic could be successful, provided you had plenty of men and weren't squeamish about expending great numbers of them; however, with the advent of the machine gun, even a general commanding millions could gain nothing but casualties by hurtling waves of men against prepared positions. Armor, and greater mobility, were required, and by the end of WWI technology met those requirements. Also, the fledgling aviation technology took time to develop and it was not immediately obvious how it could best be used. The idea that troops could be inserted into an engagement by airlift (first by airplanes, now by helicopters) took time to develop, but when such a tactic was adopted the concept of the non-linear battlefield was born. Make no mistake, though: at every step of the way, tactics lagged behind the technology.

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2011, 06:11:06 PM »

An interesting comment Jenkins, but not entirely accurate. The option of maneuver was usually open to armies, avoiding face-to-face, headlong charges into massed rifle/artillery/machine gun fire. Grant was quite good at this in his early campaigns, especially Vicksburg, and Jackson, Sheridan and Sherman showed that this sort of battle could be avoided with great success.

Also, notions of pride and prestige shouldn't be discounted either. Countries were slow to adopt modern weapons and even uniforms because the perceived glory of bayonet and cavalry charges outweighed practical concerns. Hence the British wearing the scarlet uniforms up until 1881, and the French army going into action in 1914 wearing blue shirts with bright red pantaloons. Hence also the refusal, as late as the '30s, of the British to replace horse cavalry with tanks.

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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2011, 06:20:56 PM »

Tactics and technology go hand-in-hand.  Make no mistake, though: at every step of the way, tactics lagged behind the technology.

As non-linear as can be.


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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 10:39:12 AM »

An interesting comment Jenkins, but not entirely accurate. The option of maneuver was usually open to armies, avoiding face-to-face, headlong charges into massed rifle/artillery/machine gun fire. Grant was quite good at this in his early campaigns, especially Vicksburg, and Jackson, Sheridan and Sherman showed that this sort of battle could be avoided with great success.
Avoiding battle is not the path to victory. The whole point of combat is to join with the enemy and defeat him. Maneuver is the foreplay, carnage the consummation.

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2011, 11:33:05 AM »

As non-linear as can be.
No. Two dancers may dance hand-in-hand, but only one can lead.

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 12:12:12 PM »

and taking ground is the sine qua non of war

...as Napoleon in 1812 and Hitler in 1941  inconfutably proved.

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2011, 12:35:03 PM »

No. Two dancers may dance hand-in-hand, but only one can lead.
Yes, but the partner isn't supposed to just lag behind.

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2011, 02:35:02 PM »

Not supposed to, no. I never said the situation was ideal.

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 05:08:06 PM »

Avoiding battle is not the path to victory.

How many major battles did Sherman fight in his March to the Sea?

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2011, 06:08:17 AM »

How many was he offered?

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