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« on: January 06, 2009, 06:20:09 PM »

I know this isn't everybodies favorite movie (it pales in comparison to the first two in the so called trilogy) but there is something about it that is very engaging.

Perhaps it's the sharp dialogue between the characters.

Perhaps it is the good pacing... not sure.

All I know is... I wasn't ever bored.

7/10


Chris Mitchum's acting is wooden but I enjoy his "I don't give a shit" style of acting.
Very non-traditional and refreshing.
I suppose it helps that he's become an email buddy.
It seems that you end up liking these people a lot more when you have a chance to talk to them.

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 06:54:55 PM »

Oh it stinks all right. I did like the Duke, Jack Elam and the shootout at the end but everything else was dire. Particularly the atrocious supporting cast - Chris Mitchum, Jorge Rivero, Jennifer O'Neal? Could you GET a worse assembly of actors than that?

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 06:58:35 PM »

I saw it in a cinema, I saw it again on tv and it gets worse and worse each time.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 07:02:23 PM »

I didn't even like it as a kid, back when I'd watch any piece of crap with John Wayne in it. That says a lot.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 07:19:33 PM »

back when I'd watch any piece of crap with John Wayne in it.

Ya mean like The Cowboys and The Big Trail?
Nah, Rio Lobo is better.

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 07:22:42 PM »

I like The Cowboys. I haven't seen Big Trail.

I was more thinking of stuff like Paradise Canyon, Chisum, The Green Berets, things like that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 07:28:50 PM »

Forgot about Chisum.

Yeah, the 70's was the end of good Wayne movies (except maybe Big Jake and The Shootist).

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 07:49:49 PM »

Haven't seen Big Jake either. Undecided The Shootist was really good although I didn't like it as much the second time.

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 08:25:33 PM »

Haven't seen Big Jake either. Undecided

Not missing too much.

It's one of my favorite Wayne westerns for all the wrong reasons.
It was just totally different from all the ones that came before it (pretty gory).

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 02:18:26 AM »

Hawks is among my Top 7 Directors. EL DORADO should have been his swan song instead.

LOBO suffered from the fact that Hollywood was dying by 1969: Originally it was designed for
two big leads like Wayne & Mitchum or Wayne & Dean Martin before. The budget was cut down
so much, it only provided Rivero & a few sidekicks. The film is only for film scholars - one can study
the differences between LOBO, BRAVO & DORADO and learn...

Much better is a 1970 TV show named PLIMPTON - SHOOTOUT AT RIO LOBO.
If ever have a chance to see it...
TV's George Plimpton is 'learning a profession' in each episode (like 'football player' , Boxer'..).
For this show he becomes a bit player in Hawks film and the whole 43 min. show was filmed
on location! Superb & funny too!

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 02:41:05 AM »

Rio Lobo is of course weak compared to it's predecessors, but it's also not bad. At least it's much better than all of  Wayne's collaborations with Andy McClaglen.
The Duke seemed tired and the cast is not the best, except for Elam who enjoys himself very much, and I (maybe I'm the only one) liked also Jennifer O'Neil. I think she was quite good.

This and The Cowboys were Wayne's only interesting westerns between True Grit and The Shootist.

Entertaining and maybe a 6/10

Funny is that the german critics of the ambitious journal Filmkritik, who hadn't any interest in Hawks before the mid-sixties, loved him now so much that nearly all of them gave Rio Lobo the highest ratings and wrote complicated stuff about it, while at the same time they mostly disliked the masterpieces The Wild Bunch, OuTW, The Great Silence, The Mercenary and Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid.


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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 05:31:27 AM »

Right.
Then again, with these 'ambitious' critics circles it is always the same - they have certain writers which worship their favorite filmmakers (like Hitchcock / Cahiers Du Cinema) and therefore put those into the foreground. So Hawks was suddenly hip with FILMKRITIK (mostly because of his great work decades ago), while the other stuff was new in the cinemas and marked as 'mainstream'(Butch) or 'trendy' (Italian Westerns).

I collect reviews only for an additional opinion. A film student should rate a film by himself Smiley

Yesterday I watched ROLLERBALL again and was stunned it basically had bad reviews in the US. Those critics over there saw ALMOST ALWAYS another film I suppose. They are so concerned about PLOT they they fail to see the much more important values of a film. That approach didn't help good filmmakers at all trying to make worthwhile ambitious or significant films.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 03:27:03 PM »

I would agree it's better than most of McLaglen's films, but that's no great feat.

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2011, 04:28:13 AM »

Rio Lobo is a decent watch, maybe a 6/10.
one reason Rio Lobo annoyed me less than El Dorado did is that El Dorado was just a total ripoff of Rio Bravo; Rio Lobo had some of the same plot elements, but not nearly as blatant (eg. staying in jail guarding the prisoner happens much later in the film...) El Dorado just seemed like a copy of Rio Bravo (which, btw, is my favorite American Western) and really annoyed me.
I really like the first half or so of Rio Lobo, particularly the Civil War sequences. I saw it a while ago, but I seem to remember really liking the sets. The production design was very good....

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2011, 04:34:05 AM »

Haven't seen Big Jake either. Undecided The Shootist was really good although I didn't like it as much the second time.

I loved The Shootist; a very fitting send-off for The Duke (though he couldn't have known it at the time).

Big Jake was terrible; only things good were a) John Wayne; b) beautiful landscapes; and c) good score by Elmer Bernstein

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