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« #30 : March 02, 2013, 06:54:21 PM »

correct me if I'm wrong titioli, but isn't the question posed in the opening thread meant to say, show the typical AW that Leone would have hated as an idea of the ideas he was trying to  go against when he made FOD? If that's so, then you have to mention movies Leone hated, not ones he loved.  Rio Bravo, Warlock, and Shane were all movies he admired.

According to Frayling, Leone hated "Freudian Westerns"; a frequent example Frayling cites is "films like The Left Handed-Gun, where you get the idea that, if only there had been a social worker around, Billy the Kid would never have happened."

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« #31 : March 02, 2013, 09:39:02 PM »

How does Warlock not qualify as a Freudian Western?



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« #32 : March 02, 2013, 10:45:39 PM »

no doubt it is. Maybe it was an exception to his rule. (Personally, I couldn't stand warlock. Nor could I stand Johnny Guitar, another Western that Leone loved)


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« #33 : March 03, 2013, 02:21:33 AM »

"films like The Left Handed-Gun, where you get the idea that, if only there had been a social worker around, Billy the Kid would never have happened."

Still Penn's film has some scenes which are closer to Leone than most other 50s western.

(unfortunately Paul Newman's method acting is here way over the top)

Probably the first western with a slo mo shot.


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« #34 : March 03, 2013, 09:15:53 AM »

I don't see any Leone in Left-Handed Gun. Peckinpah obviously loved it as he "borrowed" entire scenes for One-Eyed Jacks and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid.



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« #35 : March 03, 2013, 01:50:21 PM »

There wasn't most likely much left of Peckinpah's script in One Eyed Jacks. In Pat Garrett the death of Ollinger bears some resemblance. Don't remember much else.


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Ollinger's death scene has the boot of him (he was blown out of it by the shotgun) unusually big in the foreground of the shot. And there is at least one scene where Billy kills as quickly 2 people as Eastwood did (only that Eastwood mostly kills more at once). Penn's directing of violence was often innovative.

But generally there is no 50s western which bears more than a few resemblances with Leone.


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« #36 : March 29, 2013, 06:30:42 AM »

Pat Garrett definitely "borrowed" LHG's Billy surrendering with his arms stretched out crucifixion-style. The image is equally pretentious in each movie.



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« #37 : March 29, 2013, 08:42:18 AM »

No, in PG&BtK it feels very different.


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« #38 : March 29, 2013, 05:06:39 PM »

It's even worse underscored with that Dylan tune.



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« #39 : March 30, 2013, 05:40:00 AM »

That's great too, like most of the film.


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« #40 : April 04, 2013, 02:40:25 AM »

I absolutely LOVE Peckinpah's "Pat Garrett"...and the soundtrack only adds to it.
For me, the death scene with Slim Pickens and Katy Jurado is a powerhouse moment in cinema and again the Dylan song is a perfect accompaniment.....

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