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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2009, 06:52:57 PM »

Is that lovelockandload elitism I smell? Cheesy
I've seen more than that.
I prefer the sword epics though.



Hahaha, I thought that too when I typed it, but, no. 4 or 5 is a big difference from 100. Which ones have you seen? There's only been a couple sword films released here legitimately from the Weinstein's. I sent you a few and you said you bought both KING BOXER and ONE ARMED SWORDSMAN. What else?

The sword films aren't even kung fu. They're called 'wuxia pian'. The outrageous jumping and flying around is prominent in the novels many of the films based on these famous tomes of Chinese literature. The later kung fu films took the fantasy elements of these and subtly put them in the fist & kick flicks. The Shaw's made them more grounded in reality (but not completely) and when KING BOXER hit, the flood gates were opened for Bruce Lee in America.

Sorry to go off topic, but S&TG isn't a perfect movie, but it's a helluva lot better made than the Caiano movie. And I may be biased because two of my favorite performers are in it. Nobody in the other movie (outside of Kinski and Gordon Mitchell) offer any interest to me to give it another look.

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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2009, 06:59:35 PM »

I may put SHANGHAI JOE into the "Dis List" column at my site. But then that would mean I'd have to watch it again. Cheesy

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2009, 07:43:52 PM »



The sword films aren't even kung fu.



That is why I made the separation,

Kung-fu list that I have  seen (not counting the sword epics).


KING BOXER
36TH CHAMBER OF SHAOLIN
SUPER INFRAMAN (does this count?)
HEROES OF THE EAST (There is a mixture of both weapons and hand to hand combat if I recall correctly)
SHAOLIN MARTIAL ARTS
CRIPPLED AVENGERS (Again, there is a mix between weapons and fists)
FIVE DEADLY VENOMS
7 GRANDMASTERS
MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
ONE ARMED BOXER

^a lot of these were seen on youtube

Not as much as I originally expected but more than 4 or 5.
Seen a lot more of those sword films.

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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2009, 07:52:27 PM »

I sent you a few and you said you bought both KING BOXER and ONE ARMED SWORDSMAN. What else?

Legendary Weapons Of China

Last Hurrah For Chivalry

Boxer's Omen (gave to Banjo although I liked it. Have to buy again)

Shadow Whip


one or two more I'm certain.

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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2009, 07:53:18 PM »

That is why I made the seperation,

Kung-fu list that I have  seen (not counting the sword epics).


KING BOXER
36TH CHAMBER OF SHAOLIN
SUPER INFRAMAN (does this count?)
HEROES OF THE EAST (There is a mixture of both weapons and hand to hand combat if I recall correctly)
SHAOLIN MARTIAL ARTS
CRIPPLED AVENGERS (Again, there is a mix between weapons and fists)
FIVE DEADLY VENOMS
7 GRANDMASTERS
MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
ONE ARMED BOXER

^a lot of these were seen on youtube

Not as much as I originally expected but more than 4 or 5.
Seen a lot more of those sword films.

None of those are swordplay films as you noted, but again, we are talking about a genre where there are literally thousands of movies. The difference is that the wuxia pian films dealt with the martial world, clans fighting against rival clans with lots of subterfuge and romanticism. Many of the films dealt with the pursuit of a fantastic weapon that would lead to great power. Many of the novels the films were based were dozens of volumes in length.

INFRAMAN counts as it has martial arts in it. It's the HK version of ULTRAMAN so it's a hybrid.  Smiley

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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2009, 07:54:34 PM »

Legendary Weapons Of China

Last Hurrah For Chivalry

Boxer's Omen (gave to Banjo although I liked it. Have to buy again)

Shadow Whip

LAST HURRAH FOR CHIVALRY (John Woo directed flick for those that like his movies) and SHADOW WHIP are swordplay movies.

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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »

LAST HURRAH FOR CHIVALRY (John Woo directed flick for those that like his movies) and SHADOW WHIP are swordplay movies.

Yes, but you asked about the other purchases I made.

And I don't believe Boxer's Omen counts to much as Martial Arts picture Cheesy

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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2009, 07:56:50 PM »

Dude, you need to see the original FLYING GUILLOTINE (1974). That movie scared me as a kid. It's based on a true story and the weapon really existed only no one lived long enough to detail what the weapon really looked like. So all the movie versions are fabrications of the real thing. The Shaw version is the only one though that looks like it could really work. It looks real as opposed to the other films that copied it wherein it simply looks like a hat with "teeth" inside.

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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2009, 07:58:49 PM »

Dude, you need to see the original FLYING GUILLOTINE (1974).

I saw the infamous dog scene on youtube.
It looks as if it has more emphasis on story than action but I do want to see it.

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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2009, 07:59:32 PM »

Yes, but you asked about the other purchases I made.

And I don't believe Boxer's Omen counts to much as Martial Arts picture Cheesy

Oh, sorry.

No, BOXER'S OMEN is a straight ahead horror flick. The first film is the better of the two. BEWITCHED (1981) is far more serious in tone and execution while BOXER'S OMEN is a wild, psychedelic tour de force of extreme imagery and gruesome shenanigans.

Speaking of horror, Image is release the once banned Shaw true horror LOST SOULS in March. It's considered the Chinese SALO. I've not watched it yet despite having the VCD for the last few years.

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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2009, 08:02:21 PM »

I saw the infamous dog scene on youtube.
It looks as if it has more emphasis on story than action but I do want to see it.

The first movie is definitely character driven and possibly holds a record for the most decapitations in a movie. The sequel, FLYING GUILLOTINE 2 is more action based and is what I call the BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES of Shaw movies.

Then there's THE VENGEFUL BEAUTY (1977) directed by the director of FG part 1. then there's the indies, MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE aka ONE ARMED BOXER VS THE FLYING GUILLOTINE and FATAL FLYING GUILLOTINE. There might be one or two more. The weapon turns up in 1993's HEROIC TRIO starring Michelle Yeoh.

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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2009, 08:04:04 PM »

MASTER OF THE FLYING GUILLOTINE

Despite not having the usual perks that a Shaw production would have I thoroughly enjoyed this Smiley

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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2009, 08:06:33 PM »

Despite not having the usual perks that a Shaw production would have I thoroughly enjoyed this Smiley

It was fun in a wacky way, but Jimmy Wang Yu had a hard on for doing movies to counter what Shaw's had in theaters at the time since he left them on not so good terms.

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« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2009, 07:46:01 PM »

I watched The Stranger and the Gunfighter last night and I did not think highly of it. It has its fun moments, but that's all. The movie was made at the time the SW genre was on its way out and the martial arts movies were starting to hit the Western hemisphere, and this probably explains why the movie is a mixture of martial arts and SW, coupled with some softcore erotic scenes.

5 out of 10.

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« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2009, 09:49:44 PM »

Gave this a quick look again while making a copy for a friend.

Something that got my attention was LVC not killing Nancy (the Deacon) when he captured him early on in the movie.
Both Dakota and Wang knew he would be a threat if he wasn't dealt with. Why not just kill him? Nobody would care, he's a wanted man.
Just another flaw.

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