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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2005, 02:01:24 AM »

Marco Leone,you're not slacking,are you?

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2005, 06:02:06 AM »

I still can't believe that Wild East arn't releasing anamorphic scope films. I thought the age of non-anamorphics had long past. And its not like they've never done it before, look at Pistoleros. It makes no sense to me  Huh

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2005, 06:38:48 AM »

Does non-anamorphic mean this is not widescreen?-sorry i'm not very much in the know about all these different picture ratio's!
Even my very scratchy copy of Grand Duel on the 4 on 1 LVC DVD is widescreen!Hopefully ITV4 will be screening a pristine print in full widescreen very soon!

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2005, 09:08:04 AM »

The Grand Duel (1972 ) dir. Giancarlo Santi with ,Lee Van Cleef, Alberto Dentice as Phillip Wermeer the wanted man with $3000 on his head ( a role better suited to Tomas Milian) , Horst Frank as patriarch Saxon, Marc Mazza as the homosexual Saxon brother Eli (a real flamer in this flick, dressed in white, fedora hat, silk scarf that uses to shield violence scenes† from his eyes (he also twitters around† the set a bit) , and KLaus Grunberg as the Sherriff Adam Saxon. The film also has a familar face from GBU† Antonio Casale (Jackson/Bill Carson) as the bounty hunter named Hole.

Of the two films on this Wild East DVD this one has that familiar Spaghetti Western cachet attached to it. Lee Van Cleef provides all of the picaresque iconic qualifications the film could want but it still feels somewhat tired, as if they went to the well once too often. It seems as if Lee Van Cleef and is there to lend legitimacy to the other players who donít quite measure up to enter that western valhala that Van Cleef, Eastwood, Nero, Wallach, Milian, Bronson, Fonda, loom large in. This film tries hard to elevate the rest of the cast of eccentric charaters( which seems to have a high proportion of German actors) but it just doesnít quite achieve that goal. It may have helped to have a few more big name American actors and more of the familiar SW regulars and extras that we are all familiar with.

There is a great little vignette of a checker game between two minor characters, played with shot glasses full of liquor that was pretty cool and more of this type of stuff would have been great, but the director seems more of a good journeyman type of director somebody that can get the job done rather than an artistic director with some personal style. You had this sort of cat & mouse going on between Van Cleef and, but it had a slightly forced feel to it that made it not that believable. There are a lot of the right elements in the film but for some reason or other they just donít fit together right. Or perhaps its just the manifistaion on the screen of how tired the genre was becoming. Its like a SW thatís a bit off. What really holds the whole film together is the haunting score by Bacalov which is very good.

The actual town sets werenít too bad and gave a bit of a different flavor to the film than what you usually expect in a SW. You didnít get a lot of scenic background vista shots it almost looks as if a lot of the film was shot in a big gravel pit so you get a lot of down camera angles, Iím suspecting this film was shot mostly if not all in Italy. Even the "Grand Duel" in the corral at the end had more of an Italian than Spanish look to the countryside.

The story is very Spaghetti-esque, again a bit campy with a bit of shawsbuckeler action thrown in, bad guy Eli Saxon† is portrayed as a decadent flaming homosexual who actually jumps up on his tippy toes when he shoots an old man who's on his knees in front of him. Then when a gunbattle breaks out uses his scarf to daintilly shield his eyes. You have to chuckle at this film. There is a wierd sequence where a religious sect after one of its members is gunned down takes off what seems to be their wooden clogs and as a group slaps them together in unison at the Patriarch Saxson. This film is a must for Van Cleef fans, he does his familiar "Old Man-Colonel Mortimer" shtick once again and probably for the final time.



good review but ADAM SAXON is the flaming homosexual not ELI.

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2005, 10:26:28 AM »

Black bars will of course remain if the aspect ratio of the movie is 2.35:1.

For example with PAL discs the image on the discs is in resolution 720x576 (which isn't in the correct aspect ratio, but the player will know how to display it correctly).

If a 1.85:1 aspect ratio movie is non-anamorphic, it will be stored on the disc like this http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/screenshots/851.jpg
while an anamorphic version would be stored like this http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/screenshots/852.jpg

As you can see, with non-anamorphic the black bars are part of the picture, while in anamorphic all the resolution and encoding is used for the movie image itself. When played in a widescreen tv, the player has to only make the anamorphic image wider, while with non-anamorphic the tv needs to zoom the image both vertically and horizontally to make the bars go away.
And the quality difference between anamorphic and non-anamorphic is significant when watched with widescreen tv.
Same with projectors I think, which seem to already be very common in where I live. Non-anamorphic apparently looks like crap.

With regular tvs it doesn't matter, although some old tvs might not be able to display the anamorphic material properly and of course you can't get rid of the black bars.

And with 2.35:1 movies the non-anamorphic image looks like this http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/screenshots/2351.jpg
while anamorphic is like this http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/screenshots/2352.jpg

As you can see there are a little bit of black bars in the anamorphic image as well, which I guess is because the DVD technology is aimed at the 16:9 aspect ratio (which the widescreen tvs use... and 16:9 is actually 1.78:1 and not 1.85:1 which many movies use, but the 1.85:1 image usually seems to fit the screen well because the overscan of the tv hides parts of the picture... or because sometimes when the dvd is made they decide to crop the image to 1.78:1 and claim its 1.85:1 Wink ) and so when the player again makes the image wide, it will be shown at the correct aspect ratio in the widescreen tv. And with non-anamorphic the tv again needs to zoom the image vertically and horizontally.

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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2005, 05:14:54 PM »

Thats the first time I've noticed Horst in a film so you are probably right, and you are probably right Hex on the Eli-Adam switcheroo.

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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2005, 06:24:01 PM »

No problem Joe, it is true that Grand Duel doesn't have many Leone alumni (someone told me that there's some overlap between the DYS people in stagecoach and the Grand Duel people in stagecoach, but I don't know if that's true).† The one who plays Eli, the Saxon sheriff, has a small role in the Sergio Sollima thriller Revolver, btw.

And although it's easy to tell the Saxon brothers apart, it's hard to remember which name goes w/ whom, so don't feel bad about that.

One person on the SWWB speculated that the three brothers were supposed to represent parts of the human mind: the political bro=ego; the sheriff=superego, the facade the ego puts on for others; the gay sadistic one=id.


funny u should mention that the three brothers are somewhat symbols of something. on my third viewing of the film i began to think that there names are taken from the bible. i know DAVID, and ADAM are characters in the bible but i am not sure on ELI. i didnt think this would be far off since itailians seem to put religious images or suggest religion in some way in most sw's

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2005, 05:30:09 AM »

Thanks for the information guys,it's all very technical!

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2005, 06:52:11 AM »

ITV4 will be screening their 8th SW in the season The Big Showdown aka The Grand Duel on Christmas Day at 11.45pm.
Only one more to go but what will it be?

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2005, 07:50:36 AM »

That sounds like worth setting the old PVR for. Me thinks I'll be a little busy on Christmas Day!

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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2005, 08:04:27 AM »

Its gonna be a very long day waiting up for this fantastic Xmas pressie at such a late hour,considering there is absolutely nothing else on the terrestial channels(i no longer subscibe to Sky) film-wise anyway-what happened to the Xmas Day Bond Film?
By the way,do you think Daniel Craig is a very crap choice as the new Bond because among other things he's too ugly?

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2005, 08:16:06 AM »

At first I liked him, I tend to keep up with Bond as much as I can, but now I think he will be the worse Bond. Why, oh why did they treat Brosnan so badly, he wanted to do this last one.  Roll Eyes. By the way. I went to the premiere of Richard Shepards excellent film The Matador starring Pierce as a drunken assasin thats over the hill. I think its brilliant.

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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2005, 08:25:24 AM »

Before i switched over to tape Trinity last Sunday,i watched a bit of a World War One trench drama starring Daniel Craig.I just couldn't warm to the guy,although i can't remember seeing him in anything else.However you just need to see a few photo stills to know he's not Bond.I hope for the brilliant Brosmans sake that Casino Royale turns out to be a total turkey and a box office disaster!

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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2005, 08:41:50 AM »

I hate the film your talking about (The Trench) I think it does a poor job of telling a human/war story.

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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2005, 10:49:49 AM »

of course the grand duel is on i just bought it!

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