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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2005, 12:47:22 PM »

Most of my entire spaghetti collection has presented itself on ITV 4, its like they've been looking in my purchase section of Amazon and XPloited. hmmm...

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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2005, 12:49:21 PM »

Before i switched over to tape Trinity last Sunday,i watched a bit of a World War One trench drama starring Daniel Craig.I just couldn't warm to the guy,although i can't remember seeing him in anything else.However you just need to see a few photo stills to know he's not Bond.I hope for the brilliant Brosmans sake that Casino Royale turns out to be a total turkey and a box office disaster!

But sadly I fear Brosnan will to be too old when EON and Sony realise that they fumbled the ball with Daniel. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt, now the new Doctor Who, Tennant, I don't like the look of at all. Whilst I wasn't a big fan of this new series, the last episode was just ugh and Piper fails to impress me, I liked Ecclestone and I think Tennant will be rubbish.

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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2005, 03:15:50 AM »

Most of my entire spaghetti collection has presented itself on ITV 4, its like they've been looking in my purchase section of Amazon and XPloited. hmmm...
In that case can you buy some more that i haven't got?

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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2005, 06:32:52 AM »

Your actively encouraging me to go out and spend money on some spaghetti's. wahoo! "Banjo, I think this could be the start of a beautiful friendship."

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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2005, 08:26:18 AM »

Well definately yes if i can tip off ITV4 about your every purchase so i can then tape it from them in the second (pretty please)SW season!!

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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2005, 10:57:22 AM »

Also noticed that Once Upon A Time In The West (my favourite film of Leone and my personal number 1) i showing on ITV 1 after boxing day I believe.

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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2005, 06:05:07 AM »

Don't drink too much today and fall asleep everone in the UK.I'm really looking forward to seeing and taping this one tonight together with the Alex Cox bit!!!

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« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2005, 03:24:44 AM »

I am well chuffed with this good quality widescreen "Big Showdown" version of the movie and i am sure there are a few snipets of footage (up to 5 minutes?)that are missing from the Grand Duel version including the extended scene where Adam Saxon machine guns down Phillip Vemeers folk on the other side of the mountain,and some nudity that wasn't there before.
    Interestingly Alex Cox mentions that director Giancarlo Santi was originally slotted in to direct Duck You Sucker,which he argues isn't very good,and says that on evidence of the action scenes in Big Showdown,Santi would have made a better job of DYS!!
My opinion is that despite some great set pieces in DYS that DYS is definately saved from its slow paceness by Morricones best ever score and the strength of the lead performances,especially Coburn.
     Is there really only one more sw to come in this ITV4 season?-i'd better email them for more!!!

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2005, 02:53:54 PM »

Incase its not been printed elsewhere..... Keoma is next up.  They have made a good choice of films (albeit ones that I have seen - but I guess I'm being greedy hoping for a few hidden gems).

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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2006, 05:28:45 PM »

Hi Guys,

I've been religiously recording the Cox intros to the ITV4 S/W season, but my Sky+ died over Xmas.

Could anybody help me get a copy of the Cox Intro to "The Big Showdown" aka "The Gerand Duel"?

I've got all the others if I can help in return.

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« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2006, 05:18:11 AM »

I was browsing the spaghetti western webboard the other day and I came across a post indicating there was footage missing from Wild East's release of The Grand Duel. However it didn't say which footage was missing and I was wondering if people here know what footage it is. I know from my disc that there is a scene in the trailer thats not in the film but that occurs often in other films but it would be nice to know what is actually missing (if anything is).

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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2006, 07:38:23 AM »

Hey Leone Admirer,

I too have a version of The Grand Duel, though not the WE version, and am not sure if it is cut as well.  However, here is what Sundance put up on his site about the "missing" footage:

"The Killer at Spaghetti Western Web Board kindly made a comparison between the japanese disc and a german VHS by Toppic and noticed that the japanese disc was missing footage. With credits removed the japanese disc is 1:25:07 in length while the german VHS has a length of 1:30:20. Now the disc from Wild East has a length of about 1:25:10 when the credits have been removed so it appears to be also missing a lof of footage when compared to the german VHS.
The following is the entire post of The Killer at SWWB. Note that atleast image3 is missing from the Wild East disc [it may look as if it's there but compare it and what's on the disc].

"Il Grande Duello" (Imaciga/Sony - Japan) vs. "Drei Vaterunser für vier Halunken" (Toppic VHS)

both versions are in PAL-speed (of course the Japanese DVD is in NTSC, but the speed is 25 frames/sec, as most other macaronis from Japan)

whole running time (including credits and logos etc.):
Japanese DVD: 1:31:03,48
German VHS: 1:32:29,00

When you remove logos and credits you get this times (after Director and before End credits start (German version has no End credits):
Japanese DVD: 1:25:07,80
German VHS: 1:30:20,40
don't forget: German version misses piece of the brothel-scene.

Here's a time-code-list, based on the German VHS with the missing scenes:
2:29-2:43
4:31-4:33
many little cuts between 8:23-8:31
9:54-10:09
19:41-19:54
22:11-22:34
23:47-23:58
24:10-24:44
26:16-26:47
27:22-27:25
32:52-32:55
39:58-40:10
40:17-40:43
42:09-42:15
43:00-43:09
45:12-45:24
47:59-48:04
56:08-56:27
1:08:04-1:08:08
1:08:25-1:08:28
1:17:22-1:17:34
1:25:26-1:26:01
1:28:15-1:28:42

ANICA writes the Original Italian version runs 2744 Meters, which are in PAL-running time: 96 minutes."

http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/grandduel.php

So I guess, like the Japanese disc, the WE version is cut pretty good.

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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2006, 12:59:42 PM »

Thanks quesodiablo! 5 mins missing. Wow. The screencaps showing some of the missing footage seemed to be scene extensions.

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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2006, 08:49:08 AM »

I should have the Toppic VHS in my possession soon, maybe next week, so I can check the exact differences between WE disc and the VHS. :p Then again, I'm quite lazy, so who knows how long it will take. Wink


About the cut status... I have of course marked it as cut, but truth is that I'm not sure if the german VHS version has ever been available anywhere else (even if the ANICA claims original italian version to be 96mins).

What I'd like to ask is if the shorter version of GBU is cut? The longer version even has one scene which wasn't in any original theatrical versions (or was it? ) so what version is cut and what is original and what is what... Wink
Is the english version of OUATITW cut when the Italian version is 12mins longer?

Or how about Trinity Is Still My Name which might have been available only in Germany in the longest version (the e-m-s bonus disc has a version, which was shown in German theaters in 1972, which is 7minutes longer than the said to be totally uncut scandinavian disc).

The Wild East version of Grand Duel is probably the longest english version that has ever been available anywhere.
Same is probably true with their Ben & Charlie disc (which btw is also missing 2minutes compared to german version! ).
Earlier Wild East had marked their B&C disc as uncut... now it says "U.S. theatrical version". Same with Grand Duel/Beyond the law, but now it says nothing about which version those are.

But the thing is... can we call the original english GBU uncut or not? Or how about that OUATITW? If Grand Duel is longer than it ever has been outside Germany, is the disc cut or just a different version of the film?

I don't know so every film which has footage missing, which can be found on some other version, will be marked as cut on my site no matter if they are or aren't. And personally I'm a total freak concerning cuts, no matter if it's even a second missing it's a bad thing and I want that missing second! Grin

Except for GBU, because the shorter version rules and as far as I'm concerned is not cut. Grin

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2006, 07:05:50 AM »

The think the version shown on ITV4 last December under the alternate title Big Showdown may possibly be the uncut version.Its difficult to say because i haven't watched my old scratchy Grand Duel version on a LVC 4 on 1 DVD very often but i'm sure there are a few minor additions and extended scenes on Big Showdown especially the scene where Adam machine guns down the town folk which is significantly longer.
Leone Admirer,whats the NTSC running time on the Wildeast disc?I bought a DVD recorder last week and i'm transfering my video tapes onto disc-when i do Big Showdown i'll completely edit out the commercial breaks so i'll be able to advise of the exact running time in PAL.   

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