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« on: October 25, 2004, 04:44:36 AM »

My local Video rental place has a small western section, it has all of Leone's films and a few obscure SW's I bit on Captian Apache once, what a piece of crap, the VHs tape was fuzzy also. But I thought I'd take a look at one of the other two so the choice was between Bad Man's River with LVC or "A Bullet for Sandoval". It was more watchable than Captian Apache, but not by much, it did make use of locations that I'd never seen before and some that I have. It was a poor transfer it had a few recognizeable faces from Leon's films its main American Star was Ernest Borgnine, and has nothing to really make a recomendation to see it other than it was probably one of the 500 or so average SW's shot to fill theaters in Italy & Spain in the 60's.

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2006, 10:32:57 AM »

There was a talk about VCI's Sandoval disc being cut on another thread here, but since the thread actually isn't about Sandoval, I think I'll post the info here instead. VCI disc isn't the only one suffering from the cuts... apparently every available DVD release should have these cuts.

Hopefully cigar joe don't mind me resurrecting a 1½ years old thread. Wink

First of all, since I'll be describing some cut scenes, so there will be
SPOILERS here. Tongue


So anyways, the VCI disc seems to be cut by atleast 8minutes 22seconds completely eliminating one subplot.

The first missing scene is 5minutes 44seconds long. After Sandoval has described the gang Warner has gathered around him, the gang enters into some abandoned fort or something and they encounter a party of three there: Senator Rhodes, Carol Day and their escort Lieutenant Farrell. Farrell fights with and is about to kill Morton but Warner shoots Farrell in the back. The senator and Carol offer the gang $2000 if they'll be their escorts into some union mine and Warner says he'll sleep on it.
During the night One Eye tries to rape Carol but Warner stops him and spends the night with her himself.
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The first cut ends here and we see the scene with Sandoval and the maid at his daughter's bedroom.


After that a second missing scene comes (about 2minutes27sec long) where the Warner gang is preparing to leave and Warner says they'll leave the senator and Carol there and will not take the money. Carol gets angry and doubles the offer which makes One Eye interested but Warner stops One Eye from leaving the gang and so the gang leaves the fort.
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The third cut is only a second long, after the gang starts shooting at the bullring, they (probably Warner) manage to shoot the mexican General before they are killed.
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The swedish VHS runs about 1:37:50 PAL which would make it about 102minutes NTSC/FILM.

It seems the film may have been even longer originally, atleast in Spain, but I have no info about that (except some sites just listing longer running times).

This site http://www.mcu.es/jsp/plantillaAncho_wai.jsp?id=13&area=cine&contenido=/cine/bdp/brs.jsp&query=/cgi-bin/BRSCGI?CMD=VERDOC&CONF=BASES1.cnf&BASE=CINW&DOCN=000003185&NDOC=2&TXTBUS=ESPAÑOLA+/+LOS+DESESPERADOS  gives the spanish theatrical release a lenght of 105minutes and if I remember correctly L at SWWB mentioned something about a spanish VHS having a slightly different version of the film (compared to the VCI disc I think so I have no idea how it compares to the swedish VHS).

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2006, 10:38:37 AM »

Sundance: and what of warner's love affair with Borgnine's daughter? I hear in some versions she is actually seen in the movie at one point(whether flashback, beginning or otherwise).

My version is horribly cut, but it is an enjoyable picture Joe. sorry you didnt like it.

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2006, 10:47:50 AM »

Sundance: and what of warner's love affair with Borgnine's daughter? I hear in some versions she is actually seen in the movie at one point(whether flashback, beginning or otherwise).

Well it could be possible there should be something about that as well, but it might also very well be a misunderstanding... because IMDB lists Annabella Incontrera as Rosa (Sandoval's daughter)... and I have seen it mentioned in several places how the VCI disc is missing the Annabella Incontrera subplot. But Annabella in fact actually plays Carol Day and not Rosa. Well atleast I think she's Carol Day as I have to admit I have no idea how Annabella Incontrera should look like. Grin

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2006, 10:52:09 AM »

Well it could be possible there should be something about that as well, but it might also very well be a misunderstanding... because IMDB lists Annabella Incontrera as Rosa (Sandoval's daughter)... and I have seen it mentioned in several places how the VCI disc is missing the Annabella Incontrera subplot. But Annabella in fact actually plays Carol Day and not Rosa. Well atleast I think she's Carol Day as I have to admit I have no idea how Annabella Incontrera should look like. Grin


so she is in the picture(whomever she is played by).

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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 06:25:46 AM »

Apparently this has never been released in any format in Italy, so I bought me the cut US DVD. And would like very much to know why they did cut it.
This movie is I think marred by Hilton's performance, which is embarassing, especially when he has to play the deranged one. On the contrary, and how you might well expect, Borgnine is excellent, even in the difficult scene when he confesses to himself his incestuous yen for the departed daughter. As far as SW went this is a kind of Kolossal, with many good locations and lots of extras, costumes and so on. It lacks a bit of tension because as the film runs one forgets what the quarrell between Hilton and Borgnine was about. And also because Borgnine it isn't shown doing some feat which could justify a watcher's interest in a confrontation with Hilton.
The soundtrack is highly enjoyable, professional on a Morricone level, were it not that Ferrio (who was Mina's main arranger in the '70's) doesn't come up with a memorable tune.



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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 02:27:03 PM »


This movie is I think marred by Hilton's performance





Somewhat agree. Hilton's performance calls for him to be over the top (I think) but the scene where he is drunk is just shameful acting.

From what I have read the cuts are just some scenes containing Hilton's girlfriend (hardly relevant to the plot).

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2006, 03:32:27 PM »

In this very thread everything is explained. Still it is a mystery why the cuts should have been made at all. In case I find a spanish release I'll try to get it. I think that VCI owes me.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2006, 03:35:06 PM »

In this very thread everything is explained.


yeah I know, but I wanted to nudge in what I thought of Hilton's performance.

If you do find the alleged spanish uncut version let us know.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2006, 11:02:21 PM »

Eurotrash has the uncut version. Supposedly there is more of Borgnines death scene also. The reason for the cuts was probably the same as for many other of these films in the 60s and 70s. The violence was the selling point and not the story. VCI probably was not aware but then they're not a big outfit anyways. I assume there dvd is the american theatrical print. They did however release a beautiful special edition of CITY OF THE DEAD with Christopher Lee but fumbled a bit again on there recent 2 disc BLOOD & BLACK LACE disc.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 11:53:21 PM »

xploited has another dvd of BULLET FOR SANDOVAL from alfa digital the boot company that released the STRANGER double feature and the recent PRICE OF POWER disc (converted from the jap disc). The cover says 'collectors edition' but no special features are mentioned. I'm awaiting a reply as to whether it's the uncut version or not and the picture quality if it's as good as the VCI disc.

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2006, 05:59:42 AM »

This movie is I think marred by Hilton's performance, which is embarassing, especially when he has to play the deranged one.
I agree,my least favourite Hilton performance.An ok but bleak film which i do not feel the need to revisit too often.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2007, 04:32:53 PM »

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A BULLET FOR SANDOVAL- 1969

-George Hilton plays a Union soldier engaged to a Spanish beauty although the father and sons disapprove. Upon learning she is ill, he goes awol to be with her. She dies giving birth to their child and Sandoval, the father, curses the man should he ever return. Later the baby dies as well from a plague. The man then forms a gang with a number of cutthroats and shoot their way to Sandoval eventually being surrounded in a coliseum by the military in a Chang Cheh style finale. A very tragic movie and definitely one of George Hiltons better performances where he is allowed to play a serious role for a change. Ernest Borgnine doesn’t convince as the Spanish Patriarch but then one suspects he was cast for his name alone. A somber and depressing film all around. The English DVD is missing near 10 minutes of footage, mostly dialog.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 11:51:11 PM »

This is another of my favorites. It is emotional, well acted, and action packed. Everything I look for in a spaghetti western. One of the best.

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