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« : May 09, 2009, 09:53:36 PM »

Not a topic on this yet. I've just seen it and can understand why. 5-6\10

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« #1 : May 10, 2009, 02:05:36 AM »

You got the title wrong. :) And I can't believe there is not thread for this yet...

I quite like this despite the general dislike here.


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« #2 : May 10, 2009, 02:36:20 AM »

Yes. I typed the title wrong. That's because 4 h of this put me half to sleep.


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« #3 : May 10, 2009, 03:22:21 AM »

You made it through all 4 hours? You deserve an award.



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« #4 : May 10, 2009, 09:48:54 AM »

I put it in a catagory with other touchy/feely Westerns it will look dated down the line much like most of the non-violent parts of Soldier Blue.


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« #5 : May 10, 2009, 03:01:48 PM »

"touchy feely"?!

I guess any film that portrays the American Indian honestly,  as a human being with all that entails,  is going to be criticized.

Besides it is not really a western.
It is a drama.

Granted, the first section is weak, but from the time Dunbar  ??? first encounters the Lakota to the end it is a powerful, classic motion picture.


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« #6 : May 10, 2009, 04:25:10 PM »

I guess any film that portrays the American Indian honestly,  as a human being with all that entails,  is going to be criticized.
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« #7 : May 10, 2009, 06:59:01 PM »

Give. Me. A. Break.

no doubt you are a scholar on the subject ::)

« : May 10, 2009, 07:00:20 PM uncknown »

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« #8 : May 10, 2009, 06:59:26 PM »

I bet Dave is an Atlanta Braves fan :P

« : May 10, 2009, 07:06:36 PM uncknown »

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« #9 : May 10, 2009, 07:49:11 PM »

no doubt you are a scholar on the subject ::)
Nope. I do have sources I can cite, however:

Owen Gleiberman:
“The Indian actors are wonderful to look at, but couldn't some of them have played characters who were selfish, angry, egotistical? Couldn't they have had a few complications? Things seemed a lot more advanced during the late '70s, when Native American actors like Will Sampson and Chief Dan George played men with quirky depths. Essentially, Dances With Wolves is Robinson Crusoe with a tribeful of Fridays. The Indians come off as photogenic saints, which is almost as patronizing as the ''we smokum peace pipe'' clichés Costner is trying to undo.”

Dennis Schwartz:
“This is far from a satisfactory Western, even though Australian cinematographer Dean Semler does a fine job photographing the stupendous vistas (it was shot on location in South Dakota with over 700 cast members) and a few of the set-piece action scenes are watchable. It nobly wants to present the Lakota Sioux in a good light, yet for all its sentiments to wax poetic about them tells us precious little about their culture and their way of life. The liberal revisionist Western script by Michael Blake that is adapted from his novel is disjointed, too flowery in its trivial observation of the Sioux and too manipulative. Costner's mostly bumbling direction (too many lingering shots of meaningless things) fits more into a vanity project, as it overall lacks the dramatic fortitude needed to give it some gravitas and Costner's characterization of the hero is merely two-dimensional. The many emotional stirring scenarios seemed moving at times, but more often seemed more sappy than genuine.”



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« #10 : May 10, 2009, 08:13:50 PM »

i AM DISAPPOINTED in Gleiberman who is probaby the best movie critic we have:(
If you watch the film CAREFULLY (esp. the longer version) you will that the Sioux have a wide variety of personalities.
Some are unlikable - they steal Dunbar's horse fer crissake! (and his hat, too) and some are likeable and loyal.

Sometimes I feel as though people who dis this film as "new age" or "romanticized" have not seen it. they probably read the review of that dried up snatch Pauline Kael and think they have.

Schwartz is an idiot. This was the first and maybe only film that showed the day to day life of an Indian society, and in their native toungue (another first).
Liberal revionism?
In the long version is a scene where the lakota celebrate the killing of a white man and Dunbar retreats in anger and shame. He says he is "not of them"

nuff said on this matter

ps who the hell is Denny Schwartz?!


« : May 10, 2009, 08:16:41 PM uncknown »

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« #11 : May 10, 2009, 09:51:28 PM »

Who the hell is uncknown?



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« #12 : May 10, 2009, 11:01:54 PM »

Who the hell is uncknown?

the  grave where the gold is buried
next to Arch Stanton 8)


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« #13 : May 10, 2009, 11:14:39 PM »

You made it through all 4 hours?

I had to the moment I decided to watch it. That's why I postponed the effort 20 years.   But I didn't want any smart-aleck coming out with "you didn't watch the full-version so you can't talk about it".


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« #14 : May 11, 2009, 04:19:08 AM »

I think one of the best Native American/White Man films I've seen so far is "Blackrobe" I believe the natives also speak in their native tongue in that film.


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