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« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2013, 12:10:28 AM »

I did some Googling as pippo suggested and found a site which is dedicated to looking at old buildings in Williamsbur; it's probably te site that led Pippo to this building: here is the site http://forgotten-ny.com/2009/01/i-kent-explain-a-brooklyn-waterfront-avenue/

scroll down near the bottom, it talks about this building (and shows a picture from the other side)

so, this building is on the square block between Kent Ave., Taaffe Place, Little Nassau Street, and Flushing Ave. in Williamsburg. This entrance is on Kent Ave.

We gotta add it to the Leone NYC Locations tour   Smiley

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« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2013, 02:22:15 AM »

Great find pippo.   Afro  Afro  Afro

I've been looking for this for years.  Everyone, including Frayling and the sound engineer on OUATIA, Jean-Pierre Ruh, said it was in Montreal.  
There are several old prisons and government buildings in Montreal with stone features and one is now a restaurant.

Some more info on the building in Flushing Avenue:

http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2013/12/building-of-the-day-350-flushing-avenue/


Built in 1903-4, in the architectural style of a Medieval Fortress
Originally owned by the Street Cleaning Dept. Depot, now Department of Sanitation/ Dept. of Environmental Protection
Bedford Stuyvesant Neighborhood  

Architect: Warren & Wetmore, the same Beaux-Arts firm that gave us Grand Central Terminal, the NY Yacht Club and the Helmsley Building.


The NYS Reformatory for Boys In Once Upon A Time In America filmed in 1982



The Atlantic City Armory (CGI modified) from a 2011 episode (S02E08) of Boardwalk Empire



Recent street view on Google - approx. 2012


  

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« Reply #107 on: December 19, 2013, 09:35:02 AM »

great job, pippo  Afro Afro Afro Afro

if you compare that Google Maps street view image to the screen caps from OUATIA a few pages back on this thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8376.60

you can tell, it's nearly 100% certain that this is indeed the building they used.


Somebody should email A1 about this, cuz he got it wrong. On his fantastic site http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm click "Filming Locations" on the top left corner, then click "Montreal," and he says that the scene where "Noodles Goes to a Reformatory for Boys" was filmed in Montreal. Well, he is wrong about that.

I don't see any contact info for him on his website, but I know he used to be on these boards and I figger some of y'all may have contact with him; if any of you do, definitely let him know about this so he can update his site.


Again, great job pippo  Afro Afro Afro

DJ, you gotta add this to the paper clip  Wink

I did (secretary@onceuponatimeinamerica.net) and this is the result, take a look http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm (they used your informations here http://msb247.awardspace.com/loc/11brook.htm, and I thank you all)

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« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2013, 05:25:01 PM »

I did (secretary@onceuponatimeinamerica.net) and this is the result, take a look http://msb247.awardspace.com/indxloc.htm (they used your informations here http://msb247.awardspace.com/loc/11brook.htm, and I thank you all)

nice job, pippo.

If you're in the mood of emailing him again, you can tell him that while his website has separate sections for "Brooklyn" and "Williamsburg," Williamsburg is in fact a neighborhood in Brooklyn. What he should do is split it up between "Williamsburg" and "DUMBO" - because I believe all the non-Williamsburg locations in Brooklyn are in DUMBO. Anyway, I am pretty sure this location of the reformatory is in Williamsburg, but he mistakenly put it in the "Brooklyn" section....

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« Reply #109 on: March 01, 2016, 12:11:56 PM »

According to Frayling (STDWD p.452) the scene where Noodles is locked up in a prison was filmed in Montreal Canada.  As posted previously, the Department of Sanitation & Environmental Protection building in Flushing Avenue Brooklyn represents the NYS Reformatory For Boys and the Long Island City Court in Court Square Queens represents the Prison.

What may have added to the confusion are statements by Jean-Pierre Ruh sound engineer on Once Upon a Time in America.  He said that Leone made plans sometimes taking as reference a prison wall in Montreal, the counter shot being filmed in the city center.

http://www.forgottensilver.net/2012/05/18/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique-interview-de-jean-pierre-ruh/

Tonino Delli Colli has commented that Leone often wanted and sometimes needed to film a scene in two different locations.  An obvious example is Noodles entering a Reformatory for Boys in Flushing Avenue Brooklyn whilst his friends watch from Main Street Dumbo.

Delli Colli: "The scene where Noodles picks up Deborah with the limousine is shot in part in Montreal : the exterior of the theatre is under the front roof of a hotel, but campo was in Montreal and controcampo in New York! Campo and controcampo mean, in Italian film language, the direction of the camera "vision". With campo you look at the actor, with controcampo you see the opposite side, that is what the actor would see from his point of view, at 180 degrees from campo. Now, imagine..campo in Montreal and controcampo in New York... and the light must be the same!

One more example: policeman Aiello walks down the stairs, campo in Montreal and controcampo in New York! This was the case whenever the architecture around us did not allow to have campo and controcampo shot in one location. We had situations where, shooting campo, we were surrounded by period buildings, but turning around (controcampo) there was a hypermodern bank of glass and steel. This forced me to keep most precise records of all shooting conditions and the lighting involved, to make the blending of the separate takes possible at all. The scene where the balloons pop out of the water was not shot in N.Y. but in Venice, another lighting problem I had to take care of. Leone seemed to get a special craze and enjoyment in this locations fragmentation, it was as if he would exploit his fantasy world to an extremum."

http://wconnolly.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=delli+colli

According to Delli Colli they shot 300,000 meters of film for the movie and editing took 6 months whilst Jean-Pierre Ruh said that in its first version, the movie lasted six hours fifteen minutes (375 mins) and would have to go out in two parts. Jean-Pierre Ruh very much liked this version of 2 x 3 hours.

Probably the most famous prison in Montreal is the Bordeaux Prison

  

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« Reply #110 on: March 02, 2016, 03:45:20 AM »

Nice work  Afro Afro Afro

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« Reply #111 on: March 02, 2016, 05:46:45 AM »

Newspaper article from the Montreal Gazette dated 1st October 1982 regarding Leone/crew filming scenes for OUATIA around Montreal 😉👍

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19821001&id=YBQvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LqUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2736,119179&hl=en

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« Reply #112 on: March 02, 2016, 07:15:02 AM »

Thanks for the link LITTLE BIG MAN.   Afro

Some interesting stuff and I'll have a look at some of the other Montreal locations mentioned.  It should fill in a few gaps in the locations guide.

There's some photos regarding Leone and Montreal in the following blog - about 1/3 of the way down.  

http://monnomestpersonne1973.blogspot.co.uk/2015_02_01_archive.html

One of the Italian newspaper articles shown in the blog indicates that the version shown at Cannes in 1984 had a running time of 220 minutes,  agreeing with the details in the May 1984 issue of Cahiers du Cinema.

  

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« Reply #113 on: March 02, 2016, 08:14:50 AM »

Sterling work Chris on finding the prison & great photos too😉👍
The photo you posted of the guy walking through the Archway of the prison - I've got a photo of Leone & crew members walking through the same arch - I'll dig it out and post it soon👍
Ps I visited the Brasserie Julien in Paris at Xmas (deleted scene Grand Central Train station buffet/Elizabeth McGovern)  - had a nice meal, spoke to staff and took a few photos - I'll post them too when I get the chance😉👍

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« Reply #114 on: March 02, 2016, 10:54:22 AM »

Sounds great.   Afro   Afro   Afro

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« Reply #115 on: March 02, 2016, 11:05:07 AM »



https://associazioneladolcevita.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/z-anni-80-f13.jpg


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« Reply #116 on: March 02, 2016, 11:14:56 AM »

http://archiviofoto.unita.it/index.php?valorernd=2&pagina=0&codset=SPE&cod=9077&pg=0#foto_3

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« Reply #117 on: March 03, 2016, 04:37:04 AM »



Amazing stuff.  Some great photos I've not seen before.   Afro  Afro  Afro

 

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« Reply #118 on: March 03, 2016, 05:21:18 AM »

Chris scroll down on link - more great Montreal behind the scenes photos from the Montreal shoot of OUATIA😉👍

http://backtothemovieposters.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/il-etait-une-fois-en-amerique.html?m=1

Might be an idea for somebody to post all these new photos on the rare photos thread - sorry not great at this kind of thing☹️

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« Reply #119 on: March 04, 2016, 03:39:15 AM »

Thanks for the links   Afro   Afro   Afro

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