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« #15 : June 09, 2009, 07:31:58 PM »

Jennifer Connelly = Hot

Elizabeth McGovern = Not


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« #16 : June 10, 2009, 02:00:53 PM »

Why do you say that?

Because it isn't a very good film and time will not be kind to it like the other Leone films.


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« #17 : June 11, 2009, 05:26:05 AM »

Because it isn't a very good film and time will not be kind to it like the other Leone films.

I think the opposite has been proven true.



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« #18 : June 11, 2009, 05:31:40 AM »

Because it isn't a very good film and time will not be kind to it like the other Leone films.

If people still like it after 25 years I can't really think why they wouldn't after 40 or 50... ?




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« #19 : June 11, 2009, 05:35:47 AM »

People like it more than they did 25 years ago, if anything.



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« #20 : June 11, 2009, 06:12:56 AM »

Because it isn't a very good film and time will not be kind to it like the other Leone films.

Uncknown, you've got to elaborate a little more after a comment like that on a forum like this! Personally I find it to be one of the greatest films I have ever seen that continues to age beautifully.

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« #21 : June 11, 2009, 05:32:45 PM »

  I remember that one critic said it was too bad that Leone couldn't wait for Jennifer Connelly to mature before filming the 30s and 60s scenes.

Well that's a little over excessive. Even for Leone!
An actress that matched Connelly in likeness would have sufficed.
Incidentally, the "waiting for an actor or actress to mature in order to continue a role in a film" has been done before.
David Carradine got pretty far with a project of his concerning his daughter (the main character who would age, for real, as the movie progresses) but unfortunately, like so many of his other directorial films, it will never be finished.




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« #22 : June 11, 2009, 07:16:34 PM »

Yes but most sane people would agree that casting McGovern was a serious mistake.  I didn't care for James Woods as Max either.  Robert DeNiro carried a lot of OUATIA by himself, in fact Noodles is one of his best performances, right up there with his work in the Godfather Part II and Taxi Driver.  OUATIA is a great movie (and its best moments are stunning) but a flawed one.  OUATITW and DYS are Leone at the top of his game.   O0

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« #23 : June 12, 2009, 06:48:47 AM »

Dude, James Woods was awesome as Max. You're out of your mind.



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« #24 : June 12, 2009, 12:25:33 PM »

I think the biggest flaw with OUATITW is the character of Cheyenne himself. For me he's too eloquent and verbose to be convincing as a tough-guy gunslinger and Robards' casting certainly doesn't help (Wallach would at least be convincing as the tough-guy). I mean, here's a guy who's introduced shooting his way out of a sizeable prison escort (albeit off-screen) and single-handedly rescues Harmonica from a slew of Frank's men, but in between these scenes all he does his philosophize about how rough his life is and how hot he finds Jill. He's certainly not a character with an equivalent in Leone's earlier works, where most dialogue served purely expository purposes, and I have to say he's out of place in a film with lengthy near-silent scenes like the train station opening and the final duel. Not to mention he gets many of the film's most awkward scenes and speeches (the "pat your behind" scene is cringe-inducing) and his death goes on way too long for my taste.



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« #25 : June 12, 2009, 12:57:00 PM »

If people still like it after 25 years I can't really think why they wouldn't after 40 or 50... ?

well, the film in its original version has only been available to the generall public (USA at least) for a short time.
I still feel the next generation of filmmakers will be more objective about its merits.

btw i agree about the praise for Deniro's performance.


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« #26 : June 12, 2009, 12:58:41 PM »

Uncknown, you've got to elaborate a little more after a comment like that on a forum like this!

I do?
i have made my case on this film before and do not wish to keep repeating myself.
Sorry.


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« #27 : June 12, 2009, 02:32:21 PM »

I like James Woods but not as Max.  Joe Pecsi as Max sounds like a dream come true.  As for OUATITW, characters like Cheyenne and Harmonica are iconic figures rather than real people.  Harmonica is the Spirit of Death, Cheyenne is the Soul of the Old West, Jill is the Spirit of the New America, and so on.

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« #28 : June 12, 2009, 02:33:31 PM »

And Cheyenne is still a stem-winding bore.



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« #29 : June 12, 2009, 02:39:59 PM »

And Cheyenne is still a stem-winding bore.

Cheyenne is not supposed to be as entertaining as Tuco but of course you are welcome to your opinion.

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