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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 06:43:34 PM »

No, no. He was bad, no question about it, he just wasn't in the same league with those other psychos.

He did have principles though, that is shown in a couple of scenes, including the last shootout.

It sounds like you compare Angeleyes more to Harmonica than Frank or El Indio.

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 07:06:34 PM »

It sounds like you compare Angeleyes more to Harmonica than Frank or El Indio.

Sounds to me I sound to you like one sick fuck, ha? Grin

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2009, 10:47:11 PM »

Sounds to me I sound to you like one sick fuck, ha? Grin

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2009, 07:48:18 AM »

It sounds like you compare Angeleyes more to Harmonica than Frank or El Indio.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2009, 03:21:11 PM »

I don't agree with the first part, and the reason for that is contained in the second part of your post: all the others are basically psychos, maniacs. Sentenza only sees his job through.

Sentenza is also a sadist.
Sadists iare right at home with psychos and maniacs.

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2009, 03:24:01 PM »

Tuco was digging up the grave.

That always bothered me.Why would Blondie waste time by having Tuco dig up a grave which he knew wasn't filled with the cash?
My only theory to that is he had a sixth sense and knew AE was watching everything from a distance.

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2009, 04:11:58 PM »

Sentenza is also a sadist.
Sadists iare right at home with psychos and maniacs.

He laughed after killing Baker - clearly he's a sadist.

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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 05:01:10 PM »

That always bothered me.Why would Blondie waste time by having Tuco dig up a grave which he knew wasn't filled with the cash?
My only theory to that is he had a sixth sense and knew AE was watching everything from a distance.

Letting Tuco dig the grave buys Blondie time to see how Tuco will react, especially after he ran off moments earlier - and it shows Blondie's ultimately in control. It also buys him time with Angel Eyes who knows the location of the cemetary and following the logic of the $ trilogy, spefically GBU, he knows he'll be waiting - it's really not too much of a stretch.

To answer the original question AE walks in at the perfect time had it been the grave with the gold. I never had a problem with the logic.

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2009, 06:12:50 PM »

Why would Blondie waste time by having Tuco dig up a grave which he knew wasn't filled with the cash?

Blondie is a prick and enjoyed watching Tuco dig the wrong grave.  He probably had fun watching Tuco run around the cemetery, too.

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2009, 10:19:46 PM »

Sentenza is also a sadist.
Sadists iare right at home with psychos and maniacs.

OK, we're a little offtopic here but since we started...

The term ''sadist'' is used when describing someone who takes pleasure in the emotional or physical pain of someone else. Whether he or she is inflicting it to the subject or just observing is not really relevant for the usage of the term, although it does help distinguish the severity of the pathological disorder. It is logical both someone who's watching and enjoying the torturing and someone who's doing the torturing are in the same group, as they're both very obviously insane, but we'd all agree the latter case is the heavier.

Now, Sentenza killed Baker and enjoyed it, no doubt about it, he topped it with a dirty smile, and he obviously enjoyed the beating of Tuco (as well as all the others who ''had a session in there''), but really, so what? Didn't Blondie leave Tuco for obviously no reason out in the desert to die, and laughed at him sadistically? Seems to me that's OK with you guys just because he's the ''good guy'', lol. Wallach's performance makes it somewhat comical to watch, but if you think better, leaving someone without a horse or water alone in the desert, miles and miles from nowhere, with his hands tied up, is far worse than shooting someone in the head. That is sadism, enjoying in the suffering of someone else. Not to mention Tuco was his ''friend'', partner. Sentenza didn't kill anyone he was working with. And let's not forget him firing the canon at poor Tuco. Some friend, ha?

To that you may say Tuco was no good; he was a rapist, murderer, robber and who knows what else, so who cares what Blondie did to him? But then, why object to Sentenza killing Baker? Because he was old? Pfffff! Didn't Baker pay Sentenza to kill a (now) honest hardworking (married with children) dirt farmer? Where's the difference, I ask you?

To make it more interesting, you could say Blondie ''had soul''; he didn't like the war and so many young men getting killed for a couple of rusty spots on the map, he gave the dying young soldier a cigar. Wow, I'm melting down, what a soul of a man all of a sudden! I also remember Sentenza giving VŪctor Israel's character a jug in the deleted scenes at the Confederate fort. But, of course, we can't take that in consideration, because he's the ''bad guy''.

I never argued about Sentenza being a SOB, at all, but you guys seem far more stupefied than I'd expect by what I said, and it's amazing to me you never cared to dig deeper into the moral ambiguity of the whole thing.

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2009, 10:35:06 AM »

Bro, I can see that you're a big Sentenza fan.  I am too, in fact one of the few problems I have with GBU is that there are long sections without him.   Wink

I probably made a mistake comparing Angeleyes to Frank and El Indio, who are complete psychos (especially the latter).  All I was saying is that Sentenza is a very mean hombre and shows little or no compassion throughout the movie.  I never said that Blondie was much better.  To me Blondie isn't a sadist or a maniac, he's just an asshole.  Same thing with Tuco.  I suppose thats the difference between those two and Angeleyes--he's willing to be a little more ruthless to get what he wants.

One last thing--we never see Angeleyes or Blondie do much on their off hours (well Blondie's with a girl in a lost scene).  It makes me wonder how they were going to spend the Confederate gold anyway.  Now Tuco, thats someone I can imagine enjoying the money.   Evil

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2009, 06:39:33 AM »

That seems to be the point of the movie, though - they're fighting over money for the sake of getting money, not because they're planning to do anything with it.

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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2009, 03:22:47 PM »

That seems to be the point of the movie, though - they're fighting over money for the sake of getting money, not because they're planning to do anything with it.

True enough.  Though I still find it funny to think about what Tuco would spend his half on.  I doubt it would last very long.   Grin

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2009, 12:00:03 AM »

Tuco would spend it on his wife and child

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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2009, 07:38:33 AM »

Nah, I think Tuco would buy a CD.  Either a 2-year fixed rate or a Morricone CD.

None of them could possibly spend $200K or $100K in those days...

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