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« #15 : February 25, 2010, 12:40:36 AM »

Yes, the audience that cares more about sets and costumes than useless notions such as story, characters or cinematography.

Yeah, this seems to be right. I'm not denying Tim Burton made some interesting/good movies, but I'm slowly starting to lean toward what you said about his career a couple of times before.

The difference between this and let's say Beetle Juice is that BJ possessed a certain amount of originality (although I agree that is debatable), and TB's style further gave him a certain charm and peculiar specificity. Same thing with Edward Scissorhands, or Batman, or parts of his other movies. Those stories are/were not original as they are/were interesting to watch in different settings. Then. Now, he's just at the point in his career when he's recognized and fanboyized to the point when he doesn't really have to do or try anything new, he just can go on and on selling his image. Look at Big Fish, is that a movie that would get 8.1 on IMDb if it wasn't his movie? I sincerely doubt it. It's why this AIW adaptation seems completely useless and pointless to me. What's the point, and more importantly: what's next? Tim Burton's Sesame Street? Tim Burton's Bible Stories? Come on, at least leave the classics out of it.

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« #16 : February 25, 2010, 12:49:42 AM »

For instance, I liked The Nightmare Before Christmas a great deal. It was very interesting, innovative and entertaining (bloody great music), but for some reason he didn't direct it. More than 10 years later he directed the Corpse Bride. I must be missing something?

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« #17 : February 25, 2010, 12:54:21 AM »

BTW, though uncredited at IMDB, Richard Pryor is in it.

There was no need to identify his face, I presume?




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« #18 : February 25, 2010, 01:12:34 AM »

The difference between this and let's say Beetle Juice is that BJ possessed a certain amount of originality (although I agree that is debatable), and TB's style further gave him a certain charm and peculiar specificity.
Tuco, I understand your fascination with abbreviations but you just can't use BJ for Beetle Juice.


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« #19 : February 25, 2010, 01:18:20 AM »

Tuco, I understand your fascination with abbreviations but you just can't use BJ for Beetle Juice.

lol, titoli corrupted me, something's crawling out of my subconsciousness!

I wrote that while I was reading the plot summary for the 1976 version of AIW on Wikipedia:

Alice (Kristine DeBell) offends her would-be lover William (Ron Nelson) by rejecting his advances. Upset, she falls asleep reading Alice in Wonderland. The white rabbit (Larry Gelman) appears to her in a dream and takes her into a sexual wonderland. The story loosely follows Carroll's original plot, and includes many of his characters, but with considerable sexual license.




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« #20 : February 25, 2010, 06:43:36 PM »

There was no need to identify his face, I presume?

Watch the movie and report back.

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« #21 : February 27, 2010, 03:53:00 AM »

Johnny Depp looks even crazier than usual...  ;D

I'm definitely not into Burton. Sweeney was an awful horror movie with completely missing the black humour of the play and with actors who couldn't sing. I prefer the old Lansbury/Hearn version, or the LuPone/Hearn concert.


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« #22 : February 27, 2010, 08:31:44 AM »

The only Burton film I've seen is Mars Attacks! I have never felt a desire to see any others. Including this one.



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« #23 : February 27, 2010, 09:11:20 AM »

Ed Wood is good.



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« #24 : February 27, 2010, 09:42:29 AM »

So I've heard.

I may have seen Beatlejuice, but if so that was years and years ago. I do remember watching the cartoon series on TV a lot. I have also seen Betelgeuse through a telescope.



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« #25 : February 27, 2010, 04:46:59 PM »

Ed Wood is good.

By the way, great post, Dust. It summs up what I think of the guy and even clarified some points for me. That's enough compliments for a year. I'll be mean until january 2011.



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« #26 : March 01, 2010, 12:08:48 AM »

The only Burton film I've seen is Mars Attacks!


That's, quite possibly, the absolute worst place to start.

You should have begun, and ended, your Burton viewing with Ed Wood.

To be more lenient on him, I guess you could watch Beetlejuice and the Batman films.
Those are fun.

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« #27 : March 01, 2010, 10:04:57 AM »

Watch the movie and report back.

lol, good one titoli, he really does look like him. 8)




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« #28 : March 01, 2010, 10:10:55 AM »

I'm definitely not into Burton. Sweeney was an awful horror movie with completely missing the black humour of the play and with actors who couldn't sing. I prefer the old Lansbury/Hearn version, or the LuPone/Hearn concert.

For some reason something's been keeping me away from that one for a long time, now that you said it's bad I won't bother intentionally.

Speaking of Patti LuPone: I once had a crush on her as a kid. :-[ (...and I never even knew her name...)

The only Burton film I've seen is Mars Attacks! I have never felt a desire to see any others. Including this one.

FC's right about this one.

By the way, great post, Dust. It summs up what I think of the guy and even clarified some points for me. That's enough compliments for a year. I'll be mean until january 2011.

Thanks, your compliment means a lot to me.

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« #29 : March 01, 2010, 11:48:16 AM »

I sure hope it means EVERYTHING.



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