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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2017, 04:28:14 AM »

I saw it on TCM recently also, it's about a 6/10.

I give it a 4/10

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2017, 01:01:49 PM »

I give it a 4/10
Wrong again.

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2017, 01:18:12 PM »

Well to rate that one, one must know a little bit about how it came together.
Those who care can guess what it could have been if Peckinpah could have
directed and edit it the way he wanted.
O'Hara's brother produced it to cash in on THE PARENT TRAP, a major hit in 1960.
Brian Keith agreed only to do it if Peckinpah would direct - he loved the marvelous
THE WESTERNER he just did with Sam. In fact his character in DEADLY is almost
a follow up. Unfortunately The Fitzsimmons siblings di d not allow Sam (a very successful
writer by that time) to enhance the lousy script.
The even altered his final cut. For instance the Keith character shot Cochran in cold
blood at the end. Not in Fitzsimmons version...

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2017, 01:26:16 PM »

But even without knowing this I have no idea how one who likes westerns can call this one "an unadulterated piece of shit".

The Deadly Companions is a fine film, less interesting than any other Peckinpah western, but (of course) well directed, and even in this released version a not too typical western for the early 60s. 7/10


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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2017, 03:50:12 PM »

Well to rate that one, one must know a little bit about how it came together.
Those who care can guess what it could have been if Peckinpah could have
directed and edit it the way he wanted.
O'Hara's brother produced it to cash in on THE PARENT TRAP, a major hit in 1960.
Brian Keith agreed only to do it if Peckinpah would direct - he loved the marvelous
THE WESTERNER he just did with Sam. In fact his character in DEADLY is almost
a follow up. Unfortunately The Fitzsimmons siblings di d not allow Sam (a very successful
writer by that time) to enhance the lousy script.
The even altered his final cut. For instance the Keith character shot Cochran in cold
blood at the end. Not in Fitzsimmons version...

I figured as much, Steve Cochran was too old for that part, or at least for the way he was dressed, that part should have been cast for Skip Homier, or say James Best or Richard Jaeckel.

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 07:31:01 AM »

I just saw this (TCM). An unadulterated piece of shit!

Drink - you are a bit of a troll in these parts when it comes to Peckinpah  Grin   As Mike's post makes clear, it's kind of a cheap shot as regards Peckinpah.

When are you going to get around to watching "Cross of Iron"? Then we can talk...

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 09:06:48 AM »

Drink - you are a bit of a troll in these parts when it comes to Peckinpah  Grin   As Mike's post makes clear, it's kind of a cheap shot as regards Peckinpah.

When are you going to get around to watching "Cross of Iron"? Then we can talk...

Re-read my post: I didnít say a word about Peckinpah. Maybe Mike is right, that Peckinpah can't be blamed for this movieís shittiness. I didnít blame him. I didnít even mention his name. All I said is that the final product is, indeed, an unadulerated piece of shit.

I donít bash all Peckinpah movies. THE GETAWAY and JUNIOR BONNER are good movies. But no, I am not a Peckinpah fan. I donít seek out his movies. When they play on TCM, I watch them. If/when CROSS OF IRON plays TCM, Iíll watch it  Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 01:13:07 PM »

All I said is that the final product is, indeed, an unadulerated piece of shit.


And for that one needs to foster a quite strong Peckinpah complex ... Wink


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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2017, 09:44:40 AM »

Re-read my post: I didnít say a word about Peckinpah. Maybe Mike is right, that Peckinpah can't be blamed for this movieís shittiness. I didnít blame him. I didnít even mention his name. All I said is that the final product is, indeed, an unadulerated piece of shit.

I donít bash all Peckinpah movies. THE GETAWAY and JUNIOR BONNER are good movies. But no, I am not a Peckinpah fan. I donít seek out his movies. When they play on TCM, I watch them. If/when CROSS OF IRON plays TCM, Iíll watch it  Smiley

Well, I wasn't really basing my comment on one single post Tongue  I also do appreciate that your anti-Peckinpah stance often has more to do with countering the biases of the numerous Peckinpah fanboys on this forum endless lauding his work (myself included) than such an absolute dislike of the majority of his work.

I doubt "Cross of Iron" will ever show on TCM in the US, although it might crop up on TCM elsewhere in the world. What you should do is import the Region B blu-ray and convince DJ to let you watch it on his player.

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2017, 09:59:06 AM »

Isn't Cross of Iron something like 10 bucks in 1080p on iTunes? It may not be the uncut version though (I have no idea which one I saw on TV back in the days or on the DVD I own).

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2017, 08:33:00 AM »

I doubt "Cross of Iron" will ever show on TCM in the US, although it might crop up on TCM elsewhere in the world. What you should do is import the Region B blu-ray and convince DJ to let you watch it on his player.
He's got a region-free player now so he doesn't need me at all. I agree, though, that Drink should get CoI on disc. Be sure to get one that has the Stephen Prince commentary.

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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »

Or mine with 110 minutes supplements Smiley.

Then again, why try to persuade someone to like Peckinpah if it's not his bag?

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2017, 03:01:10 PM »

Then again, why try to persuade someone to like Peckinpah if it's not his bag?
Well, sometimes Youth is capable of development, maturation.

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2017, 05:09:19 PM »

Iíll check it out.

I donít know anything about different versions. How many minutes is the version I should be looking for?

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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2017, 02:45:24 AM »

If you can play European Blu-ray's, I might have some copies left here...

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