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« on: April 18, 2010, 11:13:05 AM »

Well I broke out "For A Few Dollars More" for one of my rare viewings this morning,  and as usual after waiting a long stretch between them the film attains a certain amount of freshness once again.

This time I studied the whole Mortimer@Tucumcari sequence, during that, I jotted down a couple of thoughts, one of them being a sort of revelation on a subject that poses itself occasionally more on the Imdb boards than here. That is subject of the dubbing. While watching the film, this time especially the close up dialog between Mortimer & the Tucumcari station ticket agent I determined that what I personally was paying attention to was the eyes and their expressions, more so than the lip synchronizations, perhaps this is some sort of tribal/cultural/instinctual hard wiring where in some cultures, races, or tribes the eye's are truer conveyors of veracity combined with speech, than the words stated alone.  When someone with a lip reading tendency confronts the dubbing in Italian Westerns they have a greater reaction (usually, a dislike to the point of making it unwatchable), while someone with an eye reading tendency see's lip movements as peripheral to the emotions and words displayed.  Something to ponder.

Another section of the Mortimer@Tucumcari sequence Mortimer/Calloway shootout. When Mortimer first shoots down Calloway's horse from the view point of the camera to Calloway is approximately 400 + feet. Mortimer slightly ahead and to left we can probably just call 400.

So if we reference this:



then if......

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In US Army tests conducted from 1872 to 1876 the Colt Peacemaker had a mean absolute deviation at 50 yards of 3.11 inches compared to Smith & Wessons at 4.39 inches. At 25 yards the Colts pennetration was 4.1 inches compared to the S&W's 3.33 inches.

In 1898 it was officially stated that the mean absolute deviation of the Peacemaker was, at 50 yards- 5.3", at 100 yards- 8.3", at 150 yards- 12.3". at 200 yards 15.9" at 250 yards-  24.9" and at 300 yards 28.7".

....Calloway should have been aiming with his shorter barreled Colt high between 8.3 and 12.3 inches above a straight line aimed shot at Mortimer, that is why his shots hit the ground.

OK on to White Rocks, Eastwoods intro.

Observed: Eastwood doing every thing left handed from leaning his left arm on the sill of the batwing door to fighting Red, not because of a random Leone style, or because of the tag line "he does everything left handed because he shoots with the other" he doing it in deliberate Leone style to make everyone that it would matter to in the saloon think he is actually "left handed" and that is the the hand to watch when he goes for his gun.

Anyway more later.

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 01:59:06 PM »

A fascinating post CJ, thank you

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2010, 05:27:42 AM »

More thoughts that I jotted down the other day....

Style Definitions:

1. The way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed: a style of speech and writing.
2. The combination of distinctive features of literary or artistic expression, execution, or performance characterizing a particular person, group, school, or era.
3. Sort; type: a style of furniture.
4. A quality of imagination and individuality expressed in one's actions and tastes: does things with style.

These first four are the ones to concentrate on.

STYLE, in FAFDM, it permeates the whole film. While watching the film the other day it struck me that almost all the characters posses some degree of STYLE. It must have been easy back in the 1960s'  for critics to just make a throw off statement that Leone's films possessed style and little else. But watching the films again after viewing countless American Westerns in the interim you come to the understanding of why they were so different and energizing to a tired genre.

Style is not just not just a look composed of dialog, clothing, mannerisms, in Leone's films STYLE = LIFE, it brings the all the characters more to life than countless run of the mill American Westerns that proceeded them.  Watching American Westerns its very hard to extract any style out of the characters, of course actors like Wayne, Scott, Peck, Ford, etc., etc., have their individual personalities which sort of passed for style, and directors such as John Ford had his personal touchstone's in films i.e., for example the square dance sequences, which assembled together are labeled his style, but for the most part the average run of the mill American Western didn't didn't posses much STYLE.  You can see that they are for the most part put together in a formulaic manner, and if you got all the building blocks in the right place you ended up with a Western.

About the closest thing I can think of to an American Western character having style is in some of the ridiculous looking bandannas that the lead characters wear around their necks over their, for the most part, spotlessly clean shirts, some are downright GAY looking, lol.

Real individuals/characters possess STYLE, that style makes them stand out from all the conformists, the 8-4:30, 9-5 people who do the same routines day in day out.
You are not really living unless you break out of the mold & acquire a STYLE.

Just my thoughts, and a reason why Leone's films even though existing in an imaginary, "once upon a time" , legendary West seemed more real to us Western lovers in the 1960's.

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