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« on: August 21, 2010, 12:18:53 PM »

I recently noticed 2 oddities in Jill's arrival scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRs6CNV4T34&feature=fvst

Check out the 2 porters with Jill at 1:30 and again at 2:59.
Was this overlooked in editing? Was this a reboot?

What time is it?
At 2:28 the clock is at 5 to 8 o'clock (7:55)
At 2:45 Jill's watch reads 10 after 10 o'clock (10:10)
What could be the point here?

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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 02:31:12 PM »

Well after she went into the station and saw no McBain,  it could be she was thinking of getting back on the train hence they (the porters) are sitting back on the steps to the car, then she decides to stay (she could have done this more than once and the porters would follow her around for the tip)

As for the time:

The history of standard time in the United States began November 18, 1883 when United States and Canadian railroads instituted standard time in time zones. Before then, time of day was a local matter, and most cities and towns used some form of local solar time, maintained by some well-known clock (for example, on a church steeple or in a jeweler's window). The new standard time system was not immediately embraced by all.

Jill boarded the train in New Orleans, Flagstone had a different time.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2010, 07:06:27 PM »

I presume there must be a simpler reason, explained before or later.

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2010, 07:14:57 PM »

I presume there must be a simpler reason, explained before or later.
I'd sure like to lnow what that is?

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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2010, 07:49:40 PM »

I don't think there is & we have done this topic before. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 09:56:06 PM »

Maybe it can be found in the italian version.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2010, 08:00:10 AM »

I don't think there is & we have done this topic before. Roll Eyes
Maybe so but, not recently.
So if I read you right, you are saying Leone simply screwed up here.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2010, 08:14:04 AM »

I recently noticed 2 oddities in Jill's arrival scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRs6CNV4T34&feature=fvst

What time is it?
At 2:28 the clock is at 5 to 8 o'clock (7:55)
At 2:45 Jill's watch reads 10 after 10 o'clock (10:10)
What could be the point here?

The train arrived in Flagstone at 7:55am, the station was bustling.  Jill waited 2 hours 15 minutes, notice the station is now deserted, and the watch showing 10:10am was Leone's way to show that 2 ours 15 minutes had elapsed.  In those days people had to wait for stuff like this, trains were not always on time, let alone correct day.

Jill had no idea what to do next, was expecting a McBain to pick her up, very far from home...

High Noon, the Miller gang waited at least 1.5 hours for Frank Miller to arrive by train.

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2010, 09:01:36 AM »

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very good, I get it now.
So 2 hours have passed. That can also explain the repositioning of the porters.
The backgound has changed from 7:55 and 10:10.
But still, Leone could have made the passage of time more evident. As in the opening sequence or the lead up to the duel, for example.
But I prefer to think, it could be that something is lost by watching this on a tv or computer srceen.
I remember noticing, when seeing OUATITW on screen in the theatres, how massive and overwhelming the close-ups were.
I mean 7:55 to 10:10 is anchored by Jill's close-up. When you see such a massive image of a person you almost feel that you are this person. The passage of time is thus ampliflied by the big screen.
It's amazing, even when you think you've spotted an error, Leone reveals what a great artist he was.
Case closed as far as I am concerned. Thank you.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 09:55:03 AM »

Yes that was it I knew we did this before. Afro

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2010, 10:51:21 AM »

What is misleading is that after a 2h wait under the sun Jill's appearance is unchanged. Strange because Leone took care of showing a different boxcar in the background.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2010, 11:42:11 AM »

And anyway we don't know what time is when Jill decides to stop waiting as she isn't fronting  the station house clock when she is seen walking up and down and then making a decision.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2010, 03:56:20 PM »

It's just a way for Leone to tip his hand that it's all a dream. Later, during Frank's Flagstone shootout with the boys, the appearance of the clock face without hands is a reference to the dream sequence that opens Bergman's  Wild Strawberries. Leone expected his audience to get the reference and slap their collective brows: "Of course, this movie is also a dream!"

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