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« on: October 23, 2010, 04:43:57 PM »

While watching the pub scene I wonder how Sean/John escapes.
Prior to the shooting of the 2 army officers and the other Sean, we see many policemen in the doorway.
He just coudn't have casually walked pass all of them.
Did he get caught and escape from prison?

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 01:46:10 AM »

The film does not explain it. There is also no need to explain it as it is not important for the film. 

Your guess how he did it is as good as any other.
My guess: In good SW manner Sean simply shoots them all. Wink

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 01:21:18 PM »

The film does not explain it. There is also no need to explain it as it is not important for the film. 

Your guess how he did it is as good as any other.
My guess: In good SW manner Sean simply shoots them all. Wink

My two cents as well.

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 06:05:17 PM »

Thirded.

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 01:35:01 PM »

So we all agree that there is nothing to be found in the film to explain this.

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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 01:59:42 PM »

Yep, nothing, but as I said, I don't think the film needs an explanation for this.

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 05:07:48 PM »

Sean would give Lucas McCain a run for his money if he can outgun a squad of coppers with an Enfield.

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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 02:37:20 PM »

What makes you think Firecracker had only the Enfield?

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 03:06:24 PM »

We don't see anything else.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 03:57:51 PM »

We see Firecracker, the living embodiment of ordnance.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 09:18:31 AM »

We don't see anything else.
It remains odd to me that Leone didn't take this in account when he filmed the scene. No other scene in any other of his movies, as far as I know, is not self explanatory whether in the images or if need be, in the dialogue.
(Maybe 1: Harmonica's facial scare from the deleted fight scene, but we know it's origin now)

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2010, 11:05:47 AM »

The closest equivalent I can think of is the flashback in The Quiet Man. We don't find out how John Wayne's character got away with killing a man in the ring and escaped to Ireland. Does it really matter?

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2010, 02:21:41 PM »

The closest equivalent I can think of is the flashback in The Quiet Man. We don't find out how John Wayne's character got away with killing a man in the ring and escaped to Ireland. Does it really matter?
No, it doesn't really matter to the storyline but I find it odd that Leone's legendary attention to detail was overlooked in this pivotal scene.
BTW, did any1 notice the way the second officer falls to the ground? He puts his hands out to protect the first fallen actor. I doubt very much when your shot dead you care how or where you fall. That alone should have warranted a reshoot IMHO.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 03:29:25 PM »

Well, remember that we don't get a whole lot of background in OUATITW's flashbacks either. How did Harmonica survive, or rather why didn't Frank and Co. kill him? Leaving the door open for the CJ-sanctioned "Harmonica is a ghost" theory. Leone in general didn't feel a need to explain things in pedantic detail.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2010, 10:25:04 AM »

Now that you mention it, how did Indio get away after killing Moritmer's sister's husband? No reason to suppose they're living out in the middle of nowhere--more than likely, they're on the family plantation in Carolina. There'd be plenty of people to come running when that first shot sounds. And even if Indio were able to make tracks initially, the posse that would chase after him would be formidable and determined. How did Leone neglect to account for these things?

In point of fact, SL's flashback technique, learned from Ford and others, uses a minimalist approach, and for very good reason: time is a film's most precious resource, and must be spent judiciously.

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