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Films of Sergio Leone => A Fistful of Dollars => Topic started by: Cusser on July 23, 2004, 08:05:53 AM

Title: Yojimbo
Post by: Cusser on July 23, 2004, 08:05:53 AM
Yojimbo is on tonight on TCM cable.  It is practically move for move as Fistful of Dollars, a must-see for Leone fans.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: KERMIT on July 23, 2004, 08:38:08 AM
Yojimbo is on tonight on TCM cable.  It is practically move for move as Fistful of Dollars, a must-see for Leone fans.
thanks cusser.  this  is interresting  ;D http://www.cwru.edu/artsci/engl/marling/hardboiled/Redharvest.html
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: DJIMBO on July 23, 2004, 11:11:30 AM
nevertheless, a great film, IMO, and i know this is controversial on this board, BETTER than Fistful of Dollars, largely because of Mifune's immense performance.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Belkin on July 23, 2004, 12:30:51 PM
YOJIMBO (1960) is indeed stunning! But to my mind, the movie KUROSAWA made the following year, SANJURO (1961) is his all time masterpiece. If you watch the ending, it has a direct connection with LEONE'S ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, as in, the slow time face-off it takes to reach the swordfight. MIFUNE, again puts in a terrific performance. 8)
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: redyred on July 23, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
The bit where you see Ushitora (the equivelant of Ramon) and his gang of thugs advancing towards Mifune is one of my favourite shots in all of cinema.

Also a very important element given to the spaghetti western by Yojimbo - the ridiculously misty street. Perfect for the hero to emerge from in the final scene.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: visitor on July 23, 2004, 05:47:21 PM
thanks cusser  ;) http://www.cwru.edu/artsci/engl/marling/hardboiled/Redharvest.html

it seems leone copied yojimbo but if you check the link cigar joe left it's possible to draw conclutions that kurosawa copied yojimbo from the above mentioned book which i;m here at my library looking for.
again many thanks.

i've never seen it and will have my VCR tape it.

It's virtually impossible for a movie to copy a book.  A book is words, a film is visual action combined with dialogue and usually music. Where an author can spend a page describing the color of a flower or the flowing of a river, the director must do it with a glance and move on to the gist of the story.

That being said,

Leone/Jolly lost the lawsuit with TOJO over copyright

FISTFUL has no credited screenwriter in the English language version

The music cues are in exactly the same spot.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Cusser on September 19, 2006, 11:50:26 AM
Yojimbo on TCM cable tonight (US)
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 09, 2006, 04:47:39 PM
I was disappointed at the end of the movie.I was expecting some big battle at the end but i didnt get what i wanted.  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 10, 2006, 03:34:29 PM
I was disappointed at the end of the movie.I was expecting some big battle at the end but i didnt get what i wanted.  :'(  :'(  :'(

What kind of battle were you expecting? It's not Robocop.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 11, 2006, 08:34:49 PM
What kind of battle were you expecting? It's not Robocop.

Why do you have to bring Robocop to this? (Even though it has a great ending) I was expecting something great between Unosuke and Sanjuro but Sanjuro just threw a knife at his wrist and he dies.I dont know i was just expecting something more.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Aguirre on October 14, 2006, 03:25:47 PM
Why do you have to bring Robocop to this? (Even though it has a great ending) I was expecting something great between Unosuke and Sanjuro but Sanjuro just threw a knife at his wrist and he dies.I dont know i was just expecting something more.

They didn't have semi-automatics back then.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 03:51:21 PM
They didn't have semi-automatics back then.

what?  ???
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 14, 2006, 03:56:55 PM
They didn't have semi-automatics back then.

LOL ;D
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 04:22:24 PM
They didn't have semi-automatics back then.

well yeah they did.But anywase i wanted a big sword fight but got a guy with a six shooter crying about how he got hit in the wrist.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Silenzio on October 14, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
well yeah they did.

Umm . . . no they didn't.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 06:29:33 PM
Umm . . . no they didn't.

was the era pre civil war or after?
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 14, 2006, 06:32:57 PM
was the era pre civil war or after?

If you are talking about American Civil War, the time in "Yojimbo" is roughly 200 years prior to that.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 07:17:49 PM
i see.Anywase im still dissapointed.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Silenzio on October 14, 2006, 08:41:39 PM
If you are talking about American Civil War, the time in "Yojimbo" is roughly 200 years prior to that.

I thought Yojimbo took place in the 1800s, man I'm lost. How could that guy have a revolver if it took place in the 1600s?
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 14, 2006, 10:16:04 PM
I thought Yojimbo took place in the 1800s, man I'm lost. How could that guy have a revolver if it took place in the 1600s?

Most of time (but not always) samurai movies are set in the period of Tokugawa shogunate that is from 1603 through 1867. Unless noted, times of samurai movies are set in sometime in 17th century or 18th century.

In case of "Yojimbo", the time is not really specified in the Japanese print although I'm aware that the time is more specific in the opening subtitle explanation in foreign prints. So, I made a rough guess without paying attention to that subtitle.

But I guess you are right. I just checked the official novelization of "Yojimbo". Although the original screenplay does not specify the time, the novelization says it's toward the end of Tokugawa shogunate. Around this time, there were many foreigners in Japan. It's quite possible that Unosuke got his scalf and gun from foreigners while he was out of town.

But semiautomatics? No. That's way too off. 
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 10:46:04 PM
Most of time (but not always) samurai movies are set in the period of Tokugawa shogunate that is from 1603 through 1867. Unless noted, times of samurai movies are set in sometime in 17th century or 18th century.

In case of "Yojimbo", the time is not really specified in the Japanese print although I'm aware that the time is more specific in the opening subtitle explanation in foreign prints. So, I made a rough guess without paying attention to that subtitle.

But I guess you are right. I just checked the official novelization of "Yojimbo". Although the original screenplay does not specify the time, the novelization says it's toward the end of Tokugawa shogunate. Around this time, there were many foreigners in Japan. It's quite possible that Unosuke got his scalf and gun from foreigners while he was out of town.

But semiautomatics? No. That's way too off. 

Anywase the ending still is dissapointing
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 14, 2006, 11:25:15 PM
Anywase the ending still is dissapointing

That's a shame.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 14, 2006, 11:35:55 PM
That's a shame.

well thats what i felt like.It was all leading up to it and then i get nothing.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on October 19, 2006, 09:29:54 AM
The Criterion remasters of Yojimbo and Sanjuro are scheduled for January release:
http://www.criterionco.com/asp/coming_soon.asp
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: The Firecracker on October 19, 2006, 10:16:34 AM
The Criterion remasters of Yojimbo and Sanjuro are scheduled for January release:
http://www.criterionco.com/asp/coming_soon.asp


remasters of "Sanjuro"? I just bought that! (Groan).
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 19, 2006, 12:51:13 PM

remasters of "Sanjuro"? I just bought that! (Groan).

You bought "Sanjuro"? Good boy!! (If you want the remastered version, you can sell the old one on ebay anytime.)
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 19, 2006, 12:54:01 PM
The Criterion remasters of Yojimbo and Sanjuro are scheduled for January release:
http://www.criterionco.com/asp/coming_soon.asp

I can't wait until I get the remastered editions. But I can't stand the cover design of the remastered "Yojimbo" DVD. What are they thinking?
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Aguirre on October 19, 2006, 11:09:02 PM


Hey, I bought that Samurai Boxset.
$80 and I pretty much have to rebuy all of em except Hidden Fortress. Criterion really should consider discounts for their re-releases. Same thing happened to me with Brazil. But I don't think I can stuff in another view. I think I'm up to 10 on that film.

The Yojimbo transfer is ******, even for a bootleg it would be sub par. The Sanjuro is ok.

Also, I'm really glad I waited for Amarcord to get re-released. Best rumor I've ever listened to.


remasters of "Sanjuro"? I just bought that! (Groan).

And by "bought" you mean borrowed from me, right? ;)
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 19, 2006, 11:39:18 PM

Hey, I bought that Samurai Boxset.
$80 and I pretty much have to rebuy all of em except Hidden Fortress. Criterion really should consider discounts for their re-releases. Same thing happened to me with Brazil. But I don't think I can stuff in another view. I think I'm up to 10 on that film.

The Yojimbo transfer is ******, even for a bootleg it would be sub par. The Sanjuro is ok.

I didn't want to buy Kurosawa films from Criterion. Japanese DVDs have the best transfer. But they are so expensive that I was hesitant to buy them. Now, the rumor from Japan has it Criterion is gonna have the better transfer for "Yojimbo" and "Sanjuro" than the Japanese DVDs.  Sometimes patience pays off. 
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Aguirre on October 19, 2006, 11:59:03 PM
was the era pre civil war or after?

Late 1800's. Around 1890's I think. Anyway, the film had enough sword fights, this ain't Star Wars where everything has to be done with a saber. The ending to Yojimbo was very creative.

Imagine at the end of Fistful of Dollars that it was ended with Eastwood shooting the baddie. Acceptable, but not exactly creative.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 20, 2006, 01:10:25 AM
Late 1800's. Around 1890's I think. Anyway, the film had enough sword fights, this ain't Star Wars where everything has to be done with a saber. The ending to Yojimbo was very creative.

Imagine at the end of Fistful of Dollars that it was ended with Eastwood shooting the baddie. Acceptable, but not exactly creative.

Actually, it's definitely before 1867. 1868 was the year of the Meiji Revolution. Tokugawa shogunate officially ended that year. In other words, end of the samurai era. Foreign prints of "Yojimbo" has the subtitle that says "The time is 1860."

Regarding the final battle, it doesn't have to be long. Kurosawa talked about the scene and said, "as long as the scene is fulfilling even if it's just 10 seconds, it gives satisfaction to the audience." And this scene proves that. Mifune's sword play that kills all the remaining clan of Ushitora in short seconds is really awesome to watch.

Kurugen clearly missed but Unosuke does not die just because of the small knife Sanjuro throws. Sanjuro cuts Unosuke with his sword as Unosuke tries to pull the small knife out of his arm.     
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: T.H. on October 20, 2006, 10:35:18 AM
As much as I love FOD, I prefer Yojimbo.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 20, 2006, 02:59:49 PM
Regarding the final battle, it doesn't have to be long. Kurosawa talked about the scene and said, "as long as the scene is fulfilling even if it's just 10 seconds, it gives satisfaction to the audience." And this scene proves that. Mifune's sword play that kills all the remaining clan of Ushitora in short seconds is really awesome to watch.

Kurugen clearly missed but Unosuke does not die just because of the small knife Sanjuro throws. Sanjuro cuts Unosuke with his sword as Unosuke tries to pull the small knife out of his arm.     

Well all I saw was Sanjuro throwing the knife and he falls on the ground.Remeber i wanted a Big sword fight but whatever it was o k.
Late 1800's. Around 1890's I think. Anyway, the film had enough sword fights, this ain't Star Wars where everything has to be done with a saber. The ending to Yojimbo was very creative.

I never really did like Star Wars.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 20, 2006, 03:49:37 PM
Well all I saw was Sanjuro throwing the knife and he falls on the ground.


That means Sanjuro is too quick for you to catch his move.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 20, 2006, 03:58:06 PM
That means Sanjuro is too quick for you to catch his move.

or that the ending was too weak
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 20, 2006, 04:24:12 PM
or that the ending was too weak

Never. Otherwise this film would not have stood for test of the time.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 20, 2006, 04:33:06 PM
Never. Otherwise this film would not have stood for test of the time.

It still stands the test of time but that ending was too weak for me.I guess i need a Commando-esqe ending
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 20, 2006, 04:47:53 PM
It still stands the test of time but that ending was too weak for me.I guess i need a Commando-esqe ending

Kurosawa often said, "It's absurd if you say it's not red when I'm painting with blue." You are expecting something totally different from what the film is. 
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 20, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
Kurosawa often said, "It's absurd if you say it's not red when I'm painting with blue." You are expecting something totally different from what the film is. 

Am I??
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Sanjuro on October 20, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
Am I??

Assolutamente.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Kurugen on October 21, 2006, 07:44:39 PM
Late 1800's. Around 1890's I think. Anyway, the film had enough sword fights, this ain't Star Wars where everything has to be done with a saber. The ending to Yojimbo was very creative.

Imagine at the end of Fistful of Dollars that it was ended with Eastwood shooting the baddie. Acceptable, but not exactly creative.

What you mean it wasnt creative? He made a bulletproof vest!! I thought that was pretty creative.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Aguirre on October 21, 2006, 07:49:42 PM
I'm saying if they would have went with a regular shoot out, that it wouldn't have been creative. It's obviously creative and a classic moment in cinema history.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: whenthechimesend.. on January 10, 2007, 06:34:14 PM
I do like AFOD better than Yojimbo, and I feel I'm practically alone on this. Yojimbo, however, is indeed a great movie.

I found an interesting box-set these days with Yojimbo, Sanjuro (which I haven't seen) and Seven Samurai. I really would have bought it, when I noticed the runtime for 7 samurai was 121 minutes! :o I think it's better this way, though: the DVD was from the same company responsible for the awful AFOD DVD, which skips chapters.

A bit off-topic, now: Can anyone recommend me which Kurosawa's movies are best to see next? I only saw the 2 I mentioned before, and I noticed Red Beard, Sanjuro and Hidden Fortress on my local rental shelf.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: T.H. on January 10, 2007, 07:14:54 PM
"A bit off-topic, now: Can anyone recommend me which Kurosawa's movies are best to see next? I only saw the 2 I mentioned before, and I noticed Red Beard, Sanjuro and Hidden Fortress on my local rental shelf."
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Ikiru
Throne of Blood
Ran
Kagemusha
Hidden Fortress
Rashomon
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Silenzio on January 10, 2007, 08:16:43 PM
"A bit off-topic, now: Can anyone recommend me which Kurosawa's movies are best to see next? I only saw the 2 I mentioned before, and I noticed Red Beard, Sanjuro and Hidden Fortress on my local rental shelf."
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Ikiru
Throne of Blood
Ran
Kagemusha
Hidden Fortress
Rashomon

Hmm.... to name a few...

Ran
Rashomon
Ikiru
Yojimbo
Red Beard
The Bad Sleep Well
Stray Dog
Throne of Blood
Sanjuro


I would mention Drunken Angel but it doesn't have an R1 release.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: whenthechimesend.. on January 11, 2007, 12:11:26 PM
Hmm.... to name a few...

Ran
Rashomon
Ikiru
Yojimbo
Red Beard
The Bad Sleep Well
Stray Dog
Throne of Blood
Sanjuro


I would mention Drunken Angel but it doesn't have an R1 release.

Thanks, and thanks Tuco-Harmonica too.

Also, my country is on the region 4 for DVDs, so maybe I can find that movie. And I have already seen Yojimbo. :)
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on January 11, 2007, 04:16:03 PM
BTW, Sanjuro is the sequel to Yojimbo, and I actually prefer it.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Silenzio on January 11, 2007, 04:17:33 PM
BTW, Sanjuro is the sequel to Yojimbo, and I actually prefer it.

It's kinda a sequel...

Y'know, in the same way the Dollars trilogy are sequels.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on January 11, 2007, 04:32:42 PM
Well, Sanjuro ("Thirtysomething") is the name the character uses in both films; also, he uses a vegetation-alias in both films (in Sanjuro its Tsubaki because there are a lot of camelias about).
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Silenzio on January 11, 2007, 05:16:20 PM
Well, Sanjuro ("Thirtysomething") is the name the character uses in both films; also, he uses a vegetation-alias in both films (in Sanjuro its Tsubaki because there are a lot of camelias about).

yes, that's true. I just meant that the plots aren't actually related, like most sequels.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on January 12, 2007, 04:31:25 PM
Actually, to be considered a sequel, only one of the following need be true:

a) characters in common with those in "prequel"
b) plot a continuation of story in "prequel"
c) both a and b

As titoli has pointed out, the Dollars films do not fulfill any of these three conditions, and so are not, strictly speaking, a trilogy. The main character in Sanjuro is the same character who appeared in Yojimbo, so the former is a sequel to the latter.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Beebs on January 19, 2007, 02:20:56 PM
I know this has been discussed before, but my first impressions of this were good. I really liked the opening sequence, the way he just keeps itching himself and shrugging. Very interesting movie. Just curious, what was the role of the gun in Japan in 1860? It was obviously known about but was it looked down upon to use? The gun's appearance in this movie seemed to bring with it dishonor and trickery. Just curious about the Japanese view of it at the time.
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on February 27, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
Blu-ray! http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews11/yojimbo.htm
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: dave jenkins on March 26, 2010, 11:51:47 AM
Blu-ray In Da House!!! (twin pack includes Sanjuro). Don't bother me this weekend . . .
Title: Re: Yojimbo
Post by: Groggy on March 26, 2010, 02:22:00 PM
*I* won't bother you, but the guy I sent to take out the trash...