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Title: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 04, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
My Amazon Prime free trial expires in a couple of days; I need to decide before then which streaming service to use: Amazon Prime or Netflix. Waddaya'all say? Who has more titles? I assume they all have the new movies, so I guess my main concern is who has more classic movies? Thanks  :)

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I've been thinking for a while that we should have a separate thread for discussing movie-viewing formats, such as streaming vs. discs, Ultra HD 4K, new inventions that we haven't thought of yet, etc. The thread we have for Technical Discussion/Gadegets is more specifically about electronics. I thought it would be good to have a separate thread to discuss issues related movie formats/movie viewing  :)
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: PowerRR on December 04, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
I have both and like Netflix a lot more. Its format is just a lot more clean and organized. It's much more difficult to navigate Amazon Prime / easily browse through what's available.

As far as classics go, idk, it seems like its probably about even. There's a decent amount available.

I don't typically rely on streaming services for serious movie-viewing as the selection is limited, it's best for when you just want to watch a movie, not generally good for wanting to watch specific movies - which is why I have Netflix DVD since it has pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: Kurug3n on December 04, 2016, 06:46:14 PM
Filmstruck (http://www.filmstruck.com/) just got released. Maybe that can work for you.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 04, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
I have both and like Netflix a lot more. Its format is just a lot more clean and organized. It's much more difficult to navigate Amazon Prime / easily browse through what's available.

As far as classics go, idk, it seems like its probably about even. There's a decent amount available.

I don't typically rely on streaming services for serious movie-viewing as the selection is limited, it's best for when you just want to watch a movie, not generally good for wanting to watch specific movies - which is why I have Netflix DVD since it has pretty much everything.

Thanks!

I agree with you, I get Netflix DVD and do not use streaming at all. But now that I got a trial of Amazon Prime - which also gives me free shipping on Amazon - ; and that I got a Smart TV which has both the Netflix and Amazon app, I am debating perhaps sticking with Prime, unless Netflix is better.

I saw THE BIG COMBO on Amazon streaming; I believe it is not available on Netflix DVD. Not sure about Netflix streaming.

Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 11, 2016, 12:29:21 AM
well ... I started trying some movies on Amazon streaming, and there is something wrong. The image quality is terrible. Looks all fuzzy - like it's a standard definition film (or worse) being shown on an HDTV. Awful. I canceled my Prime subscription. Not sure if the issue is with the TV's Smart Hub or with Amazon.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: PowerRR on December 11, 2016, 07:37:57 AM
well ... I started trying some movies on Amazon streaming, and there is something wrong. The image quality is terrible. Looks all fuzzy - like it's a standard definition film (or worse) being shown on an HDTV. Awful. I canceled my Prime subscription. Not sure if the issue is with the TV's Smart Hub or with Amazon.
Probably your internet connection? My amazon prime is fine. That being said, streaming usually never compares to Blu-Ray (or sometimes DVD) quality.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 24, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-new-holiday-tradition-watching-cable-tv-1482447971?client=safari


A New Holiday Tradition: Watching Cable TV - WSJ

By John Anderson

Friday Dec. 23, 2016

What are the holidays really about? Food. Family. And television. Could Easter and/or Passover ever be the same without ABC’s annual slog through “The Ten Commandments”? Would people even know it was Thanksgiving without a parade and a dog show on NBC? The new year doesn’t officially start until the ball drop is certified by Anderson Cooper. And for all the hubbub about carols and dreidels and latkes and Santa, what the December holidays mean for many is a nostalgia bath on basic cable.

Holidays are about looking back; the nature of media culture is to look forward. But the downside of upscale TV and its attendant luxuries—binge-able programming, DVRs, Netflix , Hulu, HBO, etc.—is that there’s very little anticipation about anything, other than live TV. The Oscars. The Super Bowl. A presidential debate. Christopher Walken playing Captain Hook. Everything else, viewers can see when they want. Availability breeds contempt. To actually sit down and get involved in an old movie, or some other rerun, requires the kind of concentration and expenditure of time that very few people can afford, especially at this time of year.

But certain programs can be watched only at this time of year. And that, of course, includes any and all of the 24 hours devoted, once again, to “A Christmas Story” (TBS and TNT, beginning 8 p.m. Saturday), an odd tradition, but less offensive than Black Friday. If you’re wrapping presents, or burning a ham, it’s nice to have Ralphie (the perpetually wide-eyed Peter Billingsley ) in the background, scheming about the Red Ryder Carbine-Action 200-Shot Range Model Air Rifle he wants for Christmas (“with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time”). And making Hanukkah in circa 1940 Indiana even more miserable for at least one of his friends. (“Three blocks away, Schwartz was getting his,” Ralphie recalls, having scapegoated his buddy after that F bomb he dropped in front of his father.)



Another tradition worth getting into is the Turner Classic Movies “Thin Man” marathon (8 p.m. Friday). Unlike a lot of ’30s-’40s chestnuts, these six films, all inspired by the one Dashiell Hammett novel and starring William Powell and Myrna Loy, hold up splendidly; the wit is sharp, the dialogue still sparkles. The first film takes place around Christmas time, so there’s a bona-fide holiday hook, but the real connection is romantic: Nick and Nora Charles may banter, but they never bicker, and the pickled sleuths are among the more effervescent couples on film. The first installment (the best) starts at 8, the last at 5:15 a.m., so TCM is basically inviting viewers to set the DVR.

Two holiday classics with a twist—the 1951 “A Christmas Carol” (a.k.a “Scrooge”) with the delightfully demented Alastair Sim, and “Scrooged” (1988) with an equally askew Bill Murray —are a bit elusive this year. The Sim film aired on TCM Thursday night at 11:30 (but, psssst, it can be found on YouTube in its entirety…) and “Scrooged” is on at 9:55 p.m. Saturday and Sunday on Freeform, which used to be the Family Channel, Fox Family and ABC Family, but seems to be available through most cable providers.

What would the season be without “It’s a Wonderful Life”? Less depressing, some might say—Frank Capra’s postwar classic (8 p.m., Saturday, NBC), like many of the director’s films, paints a despairing portrait of an America populated by characters who are redeemed only through some sort of blind chance or, in this case, divine intervention. (See also Capra’s “Meet John Doe,” 8:15 a.m. Saturday, or 3:30 a.m. Monday, TCM.) The ending, as many know, is deliriously happy, and because of that—and the fact that the copyright lapsed back in the ’70s—the film became a ubiquitous holiday staple for two decades. Now in the possession of NBC, it airs only a couple of times a year. It’s a masterwork, regardless of interpretation.

And over at AMC? It’s a two-night Clint Eastwood-John Wayne extravaganza! To quote the song: Do they know it’s Christmas? Ah well, it’s better than 48 hours of “The Walking Dead.”
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2017, 10:42:49 PM
Netflix's Shrinking DVD Service Faces Uncertain Future

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NETFLIX_DVDS_DEMISE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-01-18-19-50-29


As the article says, there are around 90,000 titles available on disc and only 4,600 on streaming. Streaming is good for people who just want to watch the latest movies, or TV shows, or Netflix's original series, or don't care much what they watch. But for the serious classic-movie fan, the DVD service is far better. I hope that it will always be available. I am emcouraged by the fact that it is highly profitable; hopefully, they will keep it around.


Here is the full article

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Netflix's Shrinking DVD service faces uncertain future
By Michael Liedtke

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Originally cast in a starring role, Netflix's original DVD-by-mail service has been reduced to a bit player - one that may eventually get killed off as the company focuses on its booming video streaming service.

Netflix's fourth-quarter earnings report released Wednesday provided the latest glimpse at the DVD service's descent into oblivion as the streaming service hogs the spotlight.

The DVD service shed 159,000 subscribers during the final three months of last year to end December with 4.1 million customers. That's an 11-year low for a format that gave Netflix its initial shot at stardom, allowing it out-innovate and outmaneuver Blockbuster Video, then the king of home-video rentals.

Now, though, the DVD service operates mostly as an afterthought that caters to a shrinking audience of die-hards who prefer to watch movies and TV shows on discs instead of streaming or downloading them onto a mobile gadget.

STREAMING GETS TOP BILLING

Meanwhile, Netflix's streaming service has been reshaping the world of entertainment, attracting converts to the convenience of streaming video at any time on any device with a high-speed internet connection.

The streaming service now boasts nearly 94 million subscribers in 190 countries, after adding another 1.9 million in the U.S. and 5.1 million in its overseas markets during the final three months of last year. RBC Capital Markets analyst Mark Mahaney predicts Netflix will have 160 million streaming subscribers by 2020. The company is coming off its biggest quarter of customer growth yet.

DVD subscribers may be fleeing, but the service boasts a library of more than 90,000 titles, including recent films that usually aren't available to stream for nine to 18 months after they leave theaters - or sometimes at all, at least on Netflix.

The streaming service had about 4,600 titles as of late last year, down from roughly 6,500 in July 2015, according to the research firm Ampere Analysis. Netflix has trimmed its selection of outside streaming titles as it has ramped up its own production of television series and films, which can only be viewed on its streaming service.

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings, though, insists he wants to expand the streaming catalog to include more of the videos that are only available on DVD now.

"We have a long way to go when you think about all the movies and TV shows that we don't have," he told analysts Wednesday.

CASH-COW DISCS

Even though the DVD service has lost nearly 10 million subscribers over the past 5 1/2 years, Netflix keeps it around because it remains tremendously profitable.

The company makes an operating profit of roughly 50 percent on DVD subscriptions, after covering the expense of buying discs and postage to and from its distribution centers. The DVD service doesn't even have a marketing budget; by comparison, Netflix spent almost $1 billion last year promoting its streaming service.

The DVD profits have helped subsidize Netflix's streaming expansion outside the U.S., a push that has accumulated losses of nearly $1.5 billion during the past five years. The DVD service has made $1.9 billion during the same period, enabling Netflix to remain profitable and helping its stock price rise by 13-fold since the end of 2011. The shares gained 8 percent to $144 in extended trading as investors cheered the rapid growth of the streaming service.

"We've never discussed shutting down DVDs since there are still lots of folks who subscribe, often to both streaming and DVD by mail," Netflix spokeswoman Anne Marie Squeo said.

END OF THE SHOW

Eventually, though, most analysts believe it will no longer make sense to keep mailing out DVDs in Netflix's familiar red envelopes as more people conclude the service is no longer worth the money.

Some cancellations no doubt stem from the inconvenience of having to wait for a DVD to come through the mail. Other DVD subscribers have periodically expressed frustration with weekslong waits to receive a popular film after it becomes available on disc.

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter believes Netflix's DVD service might linger for another five to eight years, based on its current pace of decline, before the company shuts it down. He believes the moment of reckoning could come when there are only about 1 million DVD subscribers remaining.

At that point, Pachter says, Netflix is likely to start closing most of the warehouses that store and distribute DVDs to different parts of the U.S.

"As they consolidate those warehouses, the turnaround time is going to be slower," he says. "Then, it's not going to take two days for the next DVD to arrive, it's going to be more like six days. Then people will be upset and quit."

Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: cigar joe on January 19, 2017, 04:03:10 AM
They should have EVERY DVD in print available like a National Library.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 13, 2017, 04:25:05 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/can-moviepass-save-theaters-the-ceo-crunched-the-numbers-and-says-yes/
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 20, 2017, 02:43:14 PM
luxury movie theater http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/closter/2017/12/19/upscale-dine-movie-theater-makes-its-way-closter-2018/965946001/
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2018, 10:13:40 PM
free 14-day trial of TCM Filmstruck https://www.filmstruck.com/us/sign-up
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 31, 2018, 11:00:05 AM
Movie Pass is in trouble

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/31/17634508/moviepass-price-increase-limited-first-run-movie-access

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/moviepass-parent-company-stock-more-than-doubles-after-announcing-pric.html

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180731005582/en/
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 28, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
FilmStruck is finished

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/26/highest-quality-streaming-service-ever-created-is-shutting-down-it-could-be-very-bad-omen-fans/?utm_term=.798e801b39e8

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/the-shutting-down-of-filmstruck-and-the-false-promise-of-streaming-classics
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 28, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
Glad to hear it. Buy physical media, people!
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: Novecento on October 29, 2018, 08:16:43 AM
Buy physical media, people!

Yes - sigh.... even if you don't like the whole "physical" thing, the image is so much better on a blu-ray than anything streamed which is invariably compressed.

Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 29, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Yes - sigh.... even if you don't like the whole "physical" thing, the image is so much better on a blu-ray than anything streamed which is invariably compressed.

And streaming sometimes freezes with bad internet connection
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: noodles_leone on October 30, 2018, 12:58:38 AM
Streaming has the game changing ability to always be with me: I can start a film on the TV in my living room, finish it on my iPad while doing the dishes and then in lying my bed. I can show clips to my coworkers on my phone, tablet or PC when cowriting a script, during a production meeting or even right on set. Getting rid of these abilities would cost me way too much.

I now own 400+ films on iTunes, many of which I already had on some kind of physical media, I'll probably have twice as much in less than two years.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: XhcnoirX on October 30, 2018, 02:11:32 AM
I now own 400+ films on iTunes, many of which I already had on some kind of physical media, I'll probably have twice as much in less than two years.

You don't exactly 'own' them tho... http://screencrush.com/you-dont-own-your-itunes-movies/
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: noodles_leone on October 30, 2018, 02:26:00 AM
You don't exactly 'own' them tho... http://screencrush.com/you-dont-own-your-itunes-movies/

I know. Still totally worth it so far. Now, everything can change the day Apple fully switches to a subscription based model (a move that could very well start to be implemented at today's keynote, by the way), but so far, it's been an almost perfect experience.

The biggest problem I've had yet is that a few years ago they cancelled the ability to take screenshots of iTunes movies (on mac, PC and iOS), which is a huge bummer for my use. Yet again, most DVD/BD players (even computer based ones) don't allow that either.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 24, 2018, 10:29:12 AM
Is Netflix killing the movie theater? Not so fast.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/is-netflix-killing-the-movie-theater-not-so-fast/2018/12/24/7a16dbf8-037a-11e9-8186-4ec26a485713_story.html?utm_term=.708436f11a53
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 15, 2019, 10:11:09 AM
Netflix raising prices (at least in America; not sure about other countries)

https://www.apnews.com/76214d0d5b1a4d0890a2d3040a3ddb33

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/netflix-to-raise-prices-by-13percent-to-18percent-its-biggest-increase-ever.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/media/netflix-raising-prices/index.html
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 22, 2019, 09:57:36 AM
"Forget Netflix - The real joy of movies is still in theaters"

https://apnews.com/2d2f7d4b089340bab9d32c9e97834067
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 04, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
There's a debate going on over whether Academy should change rules to make films ineligible for Oscars if they are not given a traditional theatrical release before being streamed. Academy Board of Governors will vote next month.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/netflix-responds-oscars-backlash-steven-spielberg-rule-change-1202048493/

https://apnews.com/e7852471a1dd4139aef380eff80e989c
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: noodles_leone on March 11, 2019, 01:00:40 AM
Now it seems Steven is saying he never wanted to start a campaign and that the whole outrage was based on fake quotes.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 25, 2019, 09:12:16 AM
Venice Film Festival is including Netflix productions https://apnews.com/7212655541984a88a2d9dbb6abd85c5a
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 11, 2019, 01:37:59 PM
How Disney's acquisition of Fox may affect theaters' screenings of classics

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2019-08-09/will-disney-let-theaters-screen-old-fox-movies
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 31, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
Glenn Erickson, of CineSavant fame, has these sobering ruminations in his latest post:
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And more distressing rumors are afoot. There were more merger-related layoffs at 20th Fox just a day or so ago, many from their home video department. The word online is that repertory theaters are being told that Fox titles will no longer be made available to them. And just yesterday I heard from a European home video executive, that Fox is no longer licensing its films to him. Is that policy the same for other vendors? Placing paranoia aside, we can figure out for ourselves that Disney isn’t plotting to rake in millions by making Sonja Henie musicals and other Fox oldies only available via its streaming site. The launch of Disney’s streaming platform is revolving around its new Marvel and Star Wars TV series.

Just the same, this might indeed be the beginning of the strangling of hard media, which the big companies have been treating like a necessary irritant for at least ten years. An unanswered question here is, how will this impact MGM discs, when Disney inherits Fox’s home video distribution contract? Already we have Netflix, that seems to purposely not make discs of many of its shows. The choice seems to be hit and miss. The first seasons of the Netflix Marvel shows Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage eventually made it to Blu-ray in the U.S., but no sign of the second or third seasons, and no sign of Iron Fist, The Punisher or The Defenders. (Some of these have been released on disc overseas.) The Netflix Lost in Space reboot has also appeared on disc. But no sign whatsoever of Roma, The Ballad of Buster Skruggs, Okja, etc. on disc.

I think this is definitely the ‘disruptive’ mode of marketing that happens when a broad field of providers dwindles down to a few behemoth companies — the biggest power no longer just competes on the level of products, it uses its heft to demolish all other competing delivery systems. The idea is to make theaters kowtow to studio demands, and to eliminate most discs. Why go to all the trouble of making a product, when you can instead sell limited access from the web?  For the consumer, it may eventually come down to a choice of subscribing to ten different streaming companies, or nothing. What’s available will be at the whim of corporate overseers.

We used to say that movies have lives of their own, but the streaming model may make most of them less accessible than ever. Netflix wiped out Blockbuster with its mail-rent system, and then dropped all but a few of its deep library, both for hard rental, and then on its streaming site. Just think, it will be just like before home video: movies will distributed or withheld, and changed as deemed fit — without our being informed. Hundreds of Fox movies from the 1930s that are already difficult to see, will be shoved deeper into storage, because the corporate committees will deem them to have insufficient profitability to be made available. And since we’ll have nothing permanent in our hands with which to compare an altered presentation, we’ll have to accept the ‘intellectual rights holder’s’ version of the truth.  You know, like the ‘rumor’ that there ever was a movie simply called Star Wars, without the ‘Episode IV: A New Hope’ alterations.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 11, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Apple and Disney are each launching streaming services  https://apnews.com/7ad99db7474246d7a1ffb7aa656ecc2e
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: T.H. on September 11, 2019, 03:02:09 PM
Apple's service seems doomed unless they produce a giant hit of a series, but there are so many people that will get it just because its Apple. They're going to have to produce a ton of good content for it to stick.

I despise Disney but that streaming service will be successful. I doubt it will have much relevance to classic movie fans because I can't seem them utilizing the Fox library outside of the classic action movies like Die Hard, Alien, Aliens, Predator, etc. Maybe they'll have some John Ford movies on there...maybe. But there certainly won't be enough for me to subscribe.

This streaming thing is kind of a bummer. At the beginning of the decade I (naively and stupidly) thought that there would be a Spotify like service where virtually any movie ever made can be watched for a 10-20 dollar a month subscription -- but instead we just have a bunch of HBO on demand like services. Not the worst thing but I'm primarily interested in movies and don't have 20-70 hours to spend per TV series. Shit, I scoff at watching movies north of 2 hours that weren't made by one of the greats.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 17, 2019, 10:32:11 AM
NBC’s ‘Peacock’ to join the streaming fray in April

https://apnews.com/70519309777b497d909652092e6124c4
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 06, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
Disney stops airing Netflix ads on most of its TV channels

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2019-10-04/disney-will-stop-airing-netflix-ads-on-abc-fx-freeform-and-national-geographic
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 24, 2019, 10:32:43 AM
NBC touts advantage in streaming wars by making service free

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/telecommunications/nbc-touts-advantage-streaming-wars-making-service-free

Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 17, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/disney-will-fix-the-simpsons-aspect-ratio-on-disney-plu/

So Disney+ streaming channel showed Simpsons episodes formatted for 16:9, chopping off the bottom and top of the image of the show that for years was shown in 4:3. Fans complained, and starting next year, they'll be shown in original aspect ratio.

That's good for fans of the Simpsons on Disney+, but what does this portend for classic movie fans and other streaming services?

Many viewers are probably not that knowledgeable and prefer to see the entire screen filled rather than black bars. Let's hope streaming services always show stuff in original aspect ratio.
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Post by: T.H. on November 17, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/disney-will-fix-the-simpsons-aspect-ratio-on-disney-plu/

So Disney+ streaming channel showed Simpsons episodes formatted for 16:9, chopping off the bottom and top of the image of the show that for years was shown in 4:3. Fans complained, and starting next year, they'll be shown in original aspect ratio.

That's good for fans of the Simpsons on Disney+, but what does this portend for classic movie fans and other streaming services?

Many viewers are probably not that knowledgeable and prefer to see the entire screen filled rather than black bars. Let's hope streaming services always show stuff in original aspect ratio.
This is one thing that I never would have anticipated. It took so damn long to end pan and scanning and now the opposite might be a concern. Wow. Hopefully, other services etc learn from this mistake but that would be such a bizarre problem to occur.

I'm already all-in on the DJ culture bunker theory but stories like this cements it for me.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 17, 2019, 05:48:44 PM
I'm already all-in on the DJ culture bunker theory but stories like this cements it for me.

yes, once you own a BRD, you have it forever, that version, in that aspect ratio, with those bonus features, etc. (Though the day may come when they'll stop selling BRD players; you'll have to get used machines on eBay or something.)

But of course, the issue is money.

For a classic film that you'll watch frequently, it may be worthwhile to buy the disc. But for a good movie that you'd like to see about once every two or three years, are you really going to buy every disc of that type of movie?

I own some of the classics (and some not-so-classic but solid) on disc; but many films that are good, say,. Charley Varrick was recently discussed here, play once or twice a year on TCM. That's certainly enough for me. As long as TCM keeps playing these films in original aspect ratio etc., the once or twice a year they play the solid films is enough for me.

But of course, if you need to be absolutely sure that you will always have a certain version of a particular film available, getting the disc is the only option.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: T.H. on November 18, 2019, 01:58:34 PM
yes, once you own a BRD, you have it forever, that version, in that aspect ratio, with those bonus features, etc. (Though the day may come when they'll stop selling BRD players; you'll have to get used machines on eBay or something.)

But of course, the issue is money.

For a classic film that you'll watch frequently, it may be worthwhile to buy the disc. But for a good movie that you'd like to see about once every two or three years, are you really going to buy every disc of that type of movie?

I own some of the classics (and some not-so-classic but solid) on disc; but many films that are good, say,. Charley Varrick was recently discussed here, play once or twice a year on TCM. That's certainly enough for me. As long as TCM keeps playing these films in original aspect ratio etc., the once or twice a year they play the solid films is enough for me.

But of course, if you need to be absolutely sure that you will always have a certain version of a particular film available, getting the disc is the only option.
I admittedly have a collector's personality: it started with baseball cards, then CDs, then DVDs and vinyl, and now blurays. I understand the anti-clutter mentality and I use that philosophy for videogames. I don't care about having a physical copies of video games and would rather just buy cheap digital games and have it stored on my PS4's hard drive.

The nice thing about the potential longevity of the bluray format is that the HD conversion process is cheaper now and there are a ton of catalog and/or deep cut type movies being released on the format in the last few years. This comment could age terribly, but I believe that physical copies will be around for a long time due to the niche market -- but maybe I'm way off. I don't have the best instincts when it comes to tech, I thought we would have the spotify for movies by now.

You're totally right about not getting your money's worth with a relatively large movie collection when discounting the idea of selling Twilight Time titles or OOP stuff. I don't think I've used a bluray disc more than three times, so I don't have a counterpoint other than I love having the security of being able to watch movies I love and not have to worry about trying to track down an inferior digital/streamed version. This might sound dramatic and a bit silly, but I almost view blurays as replicas of film prints. So for me, knowing I can watch something like Out of the Past at any time without having to worry about internet connection, transfer quality, availability, etc is worth the 15 bucks I paid for it.

The nice thing about bluray players is that they're included with every PS3, PS4 and Xbox One (and a 4K player when the PS5 is released). So in a doomsday type scenario where there would be a stoppage in manufacturing new players, there would be countless bluray players available to buy used.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 25, 2019, 02:39:36 PM
Netflix is renting a New York theater; this ensures that its productions are eligible for awards


https://www.indiewire.com/2019/11/netflix-saves-paris-theatre-1202192078/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/25/netflix-leases-new-york-movie-theater-guaranteeing-venue-its-oscar-contenders/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/netflix-keep-new-yorks-paris-theater-open-1257882
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Post by: noodles_leone on November 25, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
If they keep a theater called “Paris” open, cannot they find a theater in Paris where they can show a the à Irishman for more than a single VIP screening?
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 25, 2019, 10:40:46 PM
If they keep a theater called “Paris” open, cannot they find a theater in Paris where they can show a the à Irishman for more than a single VIP screening?

The question is, is there a theater in Paris called “New York”?
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Post by: noodles_leone on November 26, 2019, 12:57:28 AM
We have at least a dozen of "Le New York", "New York Café", "Paris-New York" and the like. They're mainly burger places but it does count.
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Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2020, 10:38:30 AM
Start building your culture bunkers now: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/media/gone-with-the-wind-hbo-max/index.html
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Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2020, 11:56:02 AM
And from last year: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/the-simpsons-michael-jackson-leaving-neverland-stark-raving-dad-1203158114/
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Post by: dave jenkins on June 11, 2020, 02:08:09 PM
And on and on it goes: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/11/fawlty-towers-dont-mention-the-war-episode-removed-from-uktv?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1591904236
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Post by: noodles_leone on June 14, 2020, 07:46:08 AM
Let the episode there, put a "don't be racist" memo at the beginning, everybody will be happy.

We should all get behind the Gone With The Wind solution pretty quick in order to save all these shows and movies.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
I don?t believe that the DVDs (or the TV and streaming services) would actually tamper with a movie itself. I really hope not.

But the TV and streaming services may choose not to run them. Which would bother me. Or to run them with advisories at the beginning, which I can forward through.

Gone with the Wind is indeed a despicable movie racially (and a crappy one overalll, btw) Can we have equal outrage about ?Mission to Moscow? which praises Stalin, one of the biggest mass murderers in history? (Made at the urging of FDR, for support of America?s new ally during WWII.) Or does Stalin get a pass from the lefties.

I don?t think the issue is that anyone would tamper with movies. But even declining to show them is scary.

As for the statues, I think that?s a different story.

An editorial writer at The Boston Globe, Jeff Jacoby, came up with a good solution about the statues: Ask if the guy being honored is being honored for the despicable things he did. For example, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves, but when there are statues to them, it is not because of their slave owning, but because of their leadership of the United States. So leave those statues up. On the other hand, statues to Confederate generals are done specifically to honor their fight for the Confederacy. So remove those.
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Post by: noodles_leone on June 14, 2020, 08:31:37 AM
That's a point I hear/read way too often: why would you want EQUAL outrage? I don't want outrage any outrage with old movies. When there is outrage, the righholders do stupid things. You're trying to make it worst for all of us.

Anyway, TV networks, streaming services as well as physical media publishers ARE tampering with old movies, they've been doing it for decades and they will always do it. Let's give them a reason not to do it. Put a text at the begining. And after the commercial breaks if they have those. Everybody will be happy. And leave the movie alone. Whatever it shows/says.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2020, 11:33:10 AM


An editorial writer at The Boston Globe, Jeff Jacoby, came up with a good solution about the statues: Ask if the guy being honored is being honored for the despicable things he did. For example, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves, but when there are statues to them, it is not because of their slave owning, but because of their leadership of the United States. So leave those statues up. On the other hand, statues to Confederate generals are done specifically to honor their fight for the Confederacy. So remove those.

Here is Jacoby's exact wording:

"Before deciding that someone?s name must be removed from a public space it has long occupied, I propose a two-part test: (1) Was that person honored for unworthy or indecent behavior? (2) Is that person known primarily for unworthy or indecent behavior? If the answer to both is No, leave the name as is."

I think it's great.
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Post by: dave jenkins on June 21, 2020, 12:00:46 PM
https://www.uniondemocrat.com/lifestyle/article_f96088d6-aa8c-11ea-a10a-0716b46050a9.html

He's got one thing right: big screens are key. Oddly, he doesn't mention IMAX, but that's basically why, going forward, I'd still be willing to leave my house for a movie. Just to see a movie on a screen slightly bigger than the one at home isn't worth the time, effort, or the $18.
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Post by: dave jenkins on July 03, 2020, 03:50:59 PM
https://www.wbir.com/article/news/walmart-is-transforming-160-store-parking-lots-to-drive-in-movie-theaters-this-summer/285-6f804bd6-53d9-4181-ba84-cad937d0ac88

Drive Ins Forever!
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 10, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Eddie agrees with DJ: https://twitter.com/EddieMuller/status/1292955967366131712
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Post by: dave jenkins on October 05, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Beginning of the end: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/3/21500538/regal-cineworld-theaters-shut-down-james-bond-us-uk
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 05, 2020, 06:55:54 AM
Beginning of the end: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/3/21500538/regal-cineworld-theaters-shut-down-james-bond-us-uk

I am hoping that this is only a Covid thing and will return once the economy reopens
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Post by: uncknown on October 08, 2020, 08:24:13 PM
https://www.uniondemocrat.com/lifestyle/article_f96088d6-aa8c-11ea-a10a-0716b46050a9.html

He's got one thing right: big screens are key. Oddly, he doesn't mention IMAX, but that's basically why, going forward, I'd still be willing to leave my house for a movie. Just to see a movie on a screen slightly bigger than the one at home isn't worth the time, effort, or the $18.
ht

IMAX just laid off most of their employees
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Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
Keep forking over, suckers! https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/amazon-argues-users-dont-actually-own-purchased-prime-video-content
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 03, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
In seismic shift, Warner Bros. to stream all 2021 films

https://apnews.com/article/warner-bros-stream-all-2021-films-92b80a6304dda71db50a84aa064a4378
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Post by: dave jenkins on December 03, 2020, 08:42:02 PM
Big news, especially on account of the fact Dune is a Warner's film. I sure hope that one will be available in IMAX.
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Post by: noodles_leone on December 04, 2020, 04:55:00 AM
Weird times.

It would be a shame to see Dune and Matrix 4 on a small screen.

No idea what they're gonna do in France: if they release these films on any streaming service avaiable here, they won't be allowed to release them in theaters. Because of our weird communist rules about "media chronology". We don't have HBO Max here anyway, so if I had to bet, I'd bet on a regular release.
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Post by: dave jenkins on December 04, 2020, 09:56:45 AM
Yeah, I think that article says the streaming plan is for the U.S. only. Regular roll-out (more or less) for foreign markets.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2020, 06:23:23 PM
Tom Hanks Says Movie Theaters Will ?Absolutely? Survive ? But Marvel-Like Franchises Will Dominate

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tom-hanks-says-movie-theaters-234050215.html
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 07, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
Audiences hold back, even as more movie theaters open

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-new-york-awkwafina-north-america-new-york-city-715e7f01a34077b185fa82bb5ea82b94
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 04, 2021, 04:45:56 PM
Netflix just got Seinfeld - and cropped the 4:3 show to fit the 16:9 widescreen. Idiots.

The most egregious example being discussed on Twitter: There is an episode called "The Pothole," in which George's keychain falls into a pothole, which is then paved over. Well the jackasses who had the job of cropping actually cropped out the titular pothole from the bottom of the image!!! (the alternative was cropping Jerry's and George's heads) https://twitter.com/thatoneguy64/status/1443961536079450117



https://nypost.com/2021/10/04/seinfeld-fans-slam-netflix-for-cutting-shows-ratio-size/

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/seinfeld-netflix-hd-cropping-removes-jokes-183004013.html


Happily, the full series is available on DVD and quite cheap (around $15 per season)
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Post by: dave jenkins on October 20, 2021, 09:23:29 AM
This is from the latest on-line Commentary feed, but it's behind the paywall so I copied it whole and am sending it on. I enjoyed it, and I thought you would too:

Will There Be a Nude Scene Ever Again?
Hollywood Commentary
by Rob Long

At the Wynn Hotel in Las Vegas, there are two large swimming pools. Both are ringed by colorful cabanas and festooned with fountains and amoeba-shaped nooks. But only one of them?a little more secluded than the other?allows something called, with mysterious glamor, ?European-style bathing.?

Meaning: topless. The hotel?s management took the idea of topless girls lounging around the pool and made it classy-sounding. But, as is always the case in these arrangements, the people who choose the European option are never the ones you want. The really attractive people are modestly wrapped and tucked in. It?s the ones born during the Eisenhower administration and the ones who take full advantage of the all-you-can-eat buffet who are splayed out in the desert sunshine, playing it as it lays.

But it?s the European-style pool that?s always crowded, because?and I realize that this sentence might get me into trouble?people like looking at uncovered breasts.

Not everyone, of course. And certainly not everyone?s. But in general, people around a pool?and people in a movie theater or watching television at home?enjoy a flash of skin. Naked breasts have been a go-to tactic for Hollywood since 1915, when Audrey Munson appeared in Inspiration, directed by George Foster Platt. Munson?s character was an artist?s model, see, so her nudity was contextual and appropriate and not in the least prurient. You can almost hear the justifications made to the actress at the first meeting: Are you nude? Yes! But so is the Venus de Milo! It?s art, honey. Plus: We?ll do it very tastefully. Like they do in Europe. They?re much more free there.

Nudity, even European-style, had but a brief exposure in the early days of Hollywood. By 1930, the Hays Code was in force. Nudity was forbidden, along with themes of white slavery and the depiction of working toilets. Breasts didn?t reappear in American films for decades, when the swinging ?60s and ?70s buried the old production codes in antiheroes, marijuana smoke, and topless scenes. And when the antique taboos disappeared, producers and studios ginned up the old arguments to convince actresses to take off their blouses: It?s tasteful, it?s organic to the story, it?s very European?

It was also a dependable way to get people into the theaters. In the 1970s, it seemed that every female lead had a shower scene or sat topless in bed next to her shirtless co-star. There were naked breasts in thrillers such as Dressed to Kill and dramas such as Klute and even comedies such as Animal House and Airplane. In most of those pictures, it wasn?t even sexual. The actress just happened to be half-dressed. It was safely titillating, like the pool at the Wynn. Toplessness was a clean way to be dirty.

It also kept the story popping along. The (to me) interminable scenes of complicated exposition in HBO?s blockbuster Game of Thrones were kept, um, interesting by the addition of naked people cavorting in the background. HBO?s satire of Hollywood, Entourage, was (again, to me) a repetitive and unfunny waste of time, punctuated here and there by a nude girl floating in a swimming pool. Its mob opera, The Sopranos, was partially set in a New Jersey strip club, which allowed Tony and his crew to discuss business while a couple of girls were doing a pole dance within frame.

In fact, HBO?s entire business model for decades could be described as European-style television. It was smart business, too, because the budget-conscious customer remembered, at the end of the month when he was cutting his expenses, that HBO delivered the breasts. And in a competitive marketplace, that was often enough.

The Sexual Revolution, of course, was terrific for guys but not so great for the gals. Actresses who balked at taking off their tops or resisted the arguments for nudity?tasteful or otherwise?were called prudes and, worse, conservative. It was not until the Me Too movement achieved powerful cultural velocity that Hollywood actresses militated against the topless scene. Jessica Alba, Keira Knightley, Megan Fox, and a lot of other big-name actresses refuse to do nude scenes, and the list is growing.

The arguments the actresses make are familiar. Nude scenes are mostly gratuitous and exploitative, written into screenplays by men, directed and produced by men, released by studios run by men. They are an example of women being subjected to the rapacious ?male gaze.? The scenes are shot in an atmosphere of leering disrespect. They are often captured digitally and then flung far and wide on the Internet, where the actresses are subjected to cruel and sexist message-board comments and criticism.

All of this is true, and yet: The audience historically likes to see skin. If they have a choice of which swimming pool to hang out in, you know which one they?ll choose. A film industry that ignores this might be a film industry in trouble. The first and most iron-clad rule of the entertainment business is, people do not pay for homework.

So despite their intentions, a newly woke, neo?Hays Code may be bad for show business. As a furious J. Algernon Hawthorne, played by British actor Terry-Thomas in Stanley Kramer?s 1963 mess of a movie, It?s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, declared: ?In all my time in this wretched, godforsaken country, the one thing that has appalled me most of all is this preposterous preoccupation with bosoms. Don?t you realize they have become the dominant theme in American culture: in literature, advertising, and all fields of entertainment and everything. I?ll wager you anything you like: If American women stopped wearing brassieres, your whole national economy would collapse overnight.? It may be the same for Hollywood.

On the other hand, some pretty fantastic movies were made under the inflexible yoke of the old Production Code. The great writers and directors of the Golden Age of movies?from, say, 1930 to (picking a movie at random) 1967?s Valley of the Dolls, which did not have a topless scene but desperately needed one?managed to tell some sexy, smart, sparkling stories on film. They worked hard to make complicated exposition interesting?think of MacMurray and Stanwyck hashing out the fine print of life-insurance policies; think of Peter O?Toole and Alec Guinness discussing Sykes-Picot?within the prudish and Victorian guidelines of the Hays Code.

And also: It?s not clear that an entertainment industry that?s more diverse and inclusive will result in fewer topless scenes. Box-office returns and streaming-service subscription fees mean exactly the same to a female studio chief as they do to a male one. As more women become powerful studio moguls, it?s just a matter of time before the old arguments come back, this time with a post?Me Too inflection: Yes, it?s a nude scene, but an empowering one! You?re in charge here, they?re YOUR breasts and it?s very much a moment of liberation and freedom from the male gaze?

To sum up: Naked breasts have been good for business, and putting them on film in the future may just require divvying up the profits in a more equitable way. Poor Audrey Munson, a century ago, didn?t have a production deal and back-end points and 10-episode commitment from Netflix. But when you own a piece of the pie?as most top-shelf actresses do these days?you might be more naked-breast-flexible. You have, as they say, skin in the game. After all, the second rule of show business is, give the people what they want. And what they want is European-style bathing. It?s just a question of who owns the pool.

Keira Knightley, by the way, has clarified her position on nude scenes: She won?t do them?unless the director is female.
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Post by: cigar joe on October 20, 2021, 11:12:19 AM
Thanks, seen it recently from a face book link
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 20, 2022, 11:46:46 AM
alcohol coming to movie theaters in NY

https://gothamist.com/food/coming-soon-ny-movie-theaters-beer-wine?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=shared_twitter

Cheers!
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Post by: noodles_leone on January 23, 2022, 05:21:35 AM
alcohol coming to movie theaters in NY

https://gothamist.com/food/coming-soon-ny-movie-theaters-beer-wine?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=shared_twitter

Cheers!

This deserves a Gaspard Noe retrospective.
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Post by: Cusser on January 23, 2022, 07:43:23 AM
alcohol coming to movie theaters in NY

https://gothamist.com/food/coming-soon-ny-movie-theaters-beer-wine?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=shared_twitter

Cheers!

Tempe Arizona had this starting in 1984; also had snacks like pizza.  Saw stuff like "Romancing the Stone" there.  Nowadays, some theaters here offer complete dinners with beer/wine and have a full bar.  Alcohol = $$$
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Post by: noodles_leone on January 23, 2022, 09:10:05 AM
And in paris, you can buy a beer in McDonald's.

(Which actually isn't true anymore)
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Post by: dave jenkins on September 28, 2022, 10:17:13 AM
https://www.slashfilm.com/673162/heres-why-movie-dialogue-has-gotten-more-difficult-to-understand-and-three-ways-to-fix-it/
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 23, 2023, 09:04:43 AM
Regal Cinemas is closing 39 theaters, including the one in Union Square in NYC

I have been to that theater many times. When it first opened, I was in 9th grade (1998) ? I don?t think it was Regal then, if I recall correctly it may have been United Artists ? I saw ads in the newspaper for it, I used to cut school and go there. Good times!

Full list of closures below

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/20/business/regal-cinemas-closings/index.html

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Post by: dave jenkins on January 23, 2023, 11:59:30 AM
I too have frequented that cinema since my move to NY in 2008. This is very sad news.
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Post by: dave jenkins on February 03, 2023, 02:19:42 PM
The color timing issue trotted out at length: https://filmmakermagazine.com/117844-color-correction-styles-film-restorations/#ref7
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Post by: dave jenkins on April 02, 2023, 06:05:41 AM
Fantastic article on a museum honoring Hollywood backdrops. You have to register to read it, but registration is free.
https://thespectator.com/book-and-art/forgotten-art-hollywood-backdrops/

SAMPLE:
Quote
?[The exhibit is] a way to celebrate artists who never got screen credit,? Lippman says as he leads me past Mount Rushmore and down a hallway with two backdrops dominating each opposing wall. ?They credit graphers [in film credits] but not [backdrop] artists.?

Pointing at a label that lacks a name, Lippman explains that it?s a mystery who painted much of the work on display. According to Lippman, the studios didn?t keep a record of who painted what, and when they were done with a backdrop, they stuffed it in a dank warehouse, where they didn?t even bother to write down what film the painting was used in. Hollywood kept such shoddy records that Maness and co-curator Thomas A. Walsh failed to identify which films some backdrops were painted for. Take the backdrop depicting a lavish staircase. Nobody could identify its origin until a guest recognized the backdrop from a scene in Hitchcock?s Marnie.

This particular painting looks flat. Quite frankly, I?m unimpressed. But Lippman insists it?s magnificent. He encourages me to hold my iPhone camera up to it. Through my camera, the painting gains depth.
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 30, 2023, 01:37:07 PM
I got this email from Netflix DVD today:


For 25 years, it's been our extraordinary privilege to mail movie nights to our members all across America. On September 29th, 2023, we will ship our final iconic red envelope.

While times have changed since our first shipment in March 1998, our goal has remained the same: to provide you with access to the broadest collection of movies and shows possible, delivered directly to your door, with no due dates or late fees.

As the DVD business continues to shrink, it?s going to become increasingly difficult to achieve that goal. In our final season, we?ll continue providing you the best service possible, all the way to the very last shipment.

You may have some questions, and we've tried to answer them in our Final Season FAQ https://dvd.netflix.com/Faq - and if you want to share something with us, you can send feedback here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd1DJybzVqIJ7pOBbDk8DiRAGhz1MnFX4KwuH9WtPLHMZoyvQ/viewform


We sincerely thank you for joining us on this amazing journey. We could never have shipped more than 5 billion discs without movie lovers like you. It's been a genuine privilege to share movie nights with you.

Pop the popcorn, fire up your player, and enjoy this final season of red envelopes.

Sincerely,
The Netflix DVD team


I'm sad about this. I (am one of the very few people who) still use this service.

I don't like the streaming service, as it has very few classic movie titles. (Also, having discs is better, because sometimes I want to see the bonus features.) Search for any classic movie in the streaming, and I'd estimate you have a 5% chance that Netflix has it. Search for the title on Netflix DVD site, and I'd estimate you have a 75% chance of them having it. 

I never want to buy discs before viewing the movie, so what I typically did was rent the movie from Netflix, and if I really like it to the extent that i want to rewatch and own it, then I'd buy it from Amazon.

truth is, I have not used the service much lately -- I've been paying monthly subscriptions despite probably making no more than one or two exchanges a year for the past two years! (may have been cheaper for me to cancel the service and just buy the occasional disc blindly) - because I have lots of movies from TCM stored on my dvr and don't have much time to watch movies lately and I'm trying to clear space n my dvr so when I do get a chance to watch a movie, I typically watch the dvr rather than a Netflix disc. Anyway, I've pretty much seen all the movies that I am dying to see; my Netflix queue currently has something like 44 movies, none of which I am absolutely dying to see.

But I was happy to have the service there, knowing that if I ever wanted to rent a disc, it was available.

There is a streaming service that has most titles available: iTunes, or Apple TV as it's now called, but I have that on my 15-inch laptop, not my 42-inch TV. I think I probably could get iTunes streaming on my TV, though I always hesitated to hook the wife up there -- I am a privacy nut and have heard about hackers or gov't using people's own internet-enabled smart TV's to spy on people. Also, I presume the streaming with wifi is not as reliable as a disc.

I could also try using Amazon streaming on my TV.

I guess I'll try hooking up the wife when the Netflix DVD runs out.

RIP

Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 30, 2023, 05:03:01 PM
I never want to buy discs before viewing the movie, so what I typically did was rent the movie from Netflix, and if I really like it to the extent that i want to rewatch and own it, then I'd buy it from Amazon.
Great strategy while it lasts. But as Travolta said in Broken Arrow, "The modern battlefield is a highly fluid environment." Things change, and the successful DVD aficionado changes with them. Time to start buying like a m***********.  Netflix is gonna be flooding the market with really cheap used discs, which should soften the market generally. And you'll want to get those while you can, cos if bulk buyers like Netflix are out, the whole market will be winding down soon. Get these discs while you can. And build your Culture Bunker.

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I am a privacy nut and have heard about hackers or gov't using people's own internet-enabled smart TV's to spy on people.
I assume you've got a VPN account? OK, there must be some way in if the government really wants to get you, but I like slamming the door on the really aggressive retailers. And for a little extra, I can get my IP assigned to Japan.

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I guess I'll try hooking up the wife when the Netflix DVD runs out.
Say what???
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 30, 2023, 11:17:13 PM

I guess I'll try hooking up the wife when the Netflix DVD runs out.



 ;D I meant WIFI  ;D
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: cigar joe on May 01, 2023, 03:09:19 AM
;D I meant WIFI  ;D

lol
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: noodles_leone on May 01, 2023, 05:24:08 AM
Great strategy while it lasts. But as Travolta said in Broken Arrow, "The modern battlefield is a highly fluid environment." Things change, and the successful DVD aficionado changes with them. Time to start buying like a m***********.  Netflix is gonna be flooding the market with really cheap used discs, which should soften the market generally. And you'll want to get those while you can, cos if bulk buyers like Netflix are out, the whole market will be winding down soon. Get these discs while you can. And build your Culture Bunker.
I assume you've got a VPN account? OK, there must be some way in if the government really wants to get you, but I like slamming the door on the really aggressive retailers. And for a little extra, I can get my IP assigned to Japan.
Say what???

Don't forget there will always be a way to record a screen (via HDMI for instance).
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 01, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
Don't forget there will always be a way to record a screen (via HDMI for instance).
Yeah, but there's got to be something worth recording on the screen to begin with. The best way to ensure that is to own physical media.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 31, 2023, 03:48:01 PM
https://dnyuz.com/2023/05/31/larger-screens-heated-seats-sushi-theater-owners-want-you-back/

Worthless without good content. These chains can't make it on summer blockbusters alone.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 13, 2023, 11:05:59 AM
Checking through some old emails, I got this one September 29,

 In 1998, we shipped our first DVD. This morning, we shipped our last. For 25 years, members like you have shared the joy of seeing a new movie in your mailbox. Thank you for being part of a generation of movie lovers who welcomed our red envelopes into your homes.
Your DVD subscription is now closed. There's nothing more you need to do to close out your DVD membership.
We will not be charging for any unreturned discs?please enjoy any discs you have at home for as long as you like!
Your queue, rental history, ratings, and reviews will be available to download until October 27th 2023, so be sure to get your DVD Netflix history here. We hope you enjoy this keepsake of our time together.
Thank you for loving our iconic red envelopes, sharing movie nights with us, and being part of our final season.
Sincerely,

The DVD Netflix Team

P.S. ? Feeling nostalgic? Us too. Click here https://dvd.netflix.com/ThanksForWatching

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I just looked through my queue. I still have 35 movies remaining I need to see  ;D

Looking through my history now, I barely used it in the last few years. I made just 3 disc exchanges in 2023, two in 2022, 14 in 2021, and 10 in 2020. Thanks to TCM and DVR I didn't have much time to watch these Netflix discs. But I rented a lot more in earlier years ? e.g., 120 discs in 2013 and 130 in 2012.

In all I rented 538 discs from Netflix, starting with The Quiet Man in 2011 and ending with Broken Blossoms last month (which I have not yet watched).

I am surprised that the disc rental lasted as long as it did ...
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 17, 2023, 04:55:09 AM
Best Buy will cease DVD sales after the end of the year: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/10/13/best-buy-no-longer-sell-dvds-after-holiday-season/71173846007/

No more steelbook exclusives, I guess. Oh well, there are other retailers. But the trend is clear: get the movies the way that you want them now, because once physical media is gone, films via streaming will be revised and altered at will. Or made unavailable.
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 28, 2023, 02:34:32 PM
Amazon Prime ads on movies and TV shows will begin in late January

https://apnews.com/article/amazon-prime-ads-movies-tv-shows-streaming-e30fd3a90ba9a62f78c7e98069c308bc
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 17, 2024, 06:24:51 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/hollywood-keeps-reminding-us-why-we-need-physical-media-more-than-ever
Title: Re: Movie Formats/Viewing (theaters, discs, streaming, new inventions, etc.)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 21, 2024, 05:22:24 AM
Noodles, get your C.V. over to Vegas, ASAP! https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/1-8b-sony-movie-studio-backed-by-mark-wahlberg-approved-for-summerlin-3020516/