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Films of Sergio Leone => A Fistful of Dollars => Topic started by: Hippieoddball1 on April 18, 2003, 09:50:04 AM
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When clint say's to ramon at the end "Load up and shoot" and then they battle to load there gun first, and clint puts one bullet in the chamber then spins it around fast to beat ramon and then kills him with the shot.
Now i don't know anything about guns but does clint's character know exactly how fast to spin the chamber in the gun so that bullet will be fired or does that gun always fire the bullet thats there or something, or is it luck. Because a film like the deer hunter shows that if a bullet is put into the gun then it's just luck to see if the bullet is going to be shot or whatever.
Does anyone know or is this a floor in a truly genious film?
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I have been shooting Colt45 for years. The way Clint spins the cylinder is just meant for the audience.In reality to go from the loading gate of the gun to the bullet to be aligned
with the barrel port you need to click the cylinder exactly four times and then cock the hammer. The gun is ready to go bang then. Spinning like in the Ramon duel would be roulette pure. ;)
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Yeah, but you see he really dosen't have the time to sit there and click the cylinder 4 times and then cock it. The spinning of the cylinder is for speed. It just shows you what a badass Joe is as a Gunfighter. Or as I like to call him, The Jorden of Gunfighting... Granted it may seem a little risky but he is so good that he knows exacltly how hard to spin the cylinder for it to stop on the fifth cylinder hole with the live cartridge. For if he were to sit there and click the damb thing four time surely Ramon would have beat him to the draw.... ;)
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You are right Harmonica, but here is exaclty where the world of dreams (movies) and the world of reality ( when I shoot REAl Cowboy shooting competition) separate. In our competitions
we have to reload sometimes, but we don´t spin, as the risk of cylinder overtravel is too big. We click and always go BANG.
However, Clint in FOD, is a Greek semi-god coming from the
fogs of Olympus (the dynamite smoke) and therefore spins, and does not click, the cylinder. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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When clint say's to ramon at the end "Load up and shoot" and then they battle to load there gun first, and clint puts one bullet in the chamber then spins it around fast to beat ramon and then kills him with the shot.
Now i don't know anything about guns but does clint's character know exactly how fast to spin the chamber in the gun so that bullet will be fired or does that gun always fire the bullet thats there or something, or is it luck. Because a film like the deer hunter shows that if a bullet is put into the gun then it's just luck to see if the bullet is going to be shot or whatever.
Does anyone know or is this a floor in a truly genious film?
Sorry to bring an old topic back but have you noticed that TUCO also puts one bullet in and spins it in the gunshop scene in GBU. Obviously worked for Joe in FOD so why not TUCO as well.???????...Cigar J. where are you when needed
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I guess I have to fill in for Mr. C. Joe esq. There is no way he can be sure unless he is a god which he may be. however he should have said "do you feel lucky, Punk?" but anyway gun wise he cant be sure.
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Sorry to bring an old topic back but have you noticed that TUCO also puts one bullet in and spins it in the gunshop scene in GBU. Obviously worked for Joe in FOD so why not TUCO as well.???????...Cigar J. where are you when needed
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The difference is (if you're referring to the robbery portion of that scene), we have no way of knowing if the "spin" hit the right chamber. The gunshop owner just saw him put a gun in, and obviously didn't want to take a chance.
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I always just assumed with all of the skills the man with no name had, one of them was spinning the cylinder with great accuracy, now I don't know anything about guns either and I'm sure no one does it, but i'd guess that it is possible to spin 4 clicks or 10 or whatever to come back around without actually clicking it.
even if not, in all fairness he's fast enough to give all 6 chaimbers a go before ramon could at that point cock and shoot. as ridiculous as that might be it makes the argument about spinning irrelevant.
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He only pretended to unload the gun anyway by dropping some shells he had in his belt.
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He could spin all he liked and confidently land on an unfired cartidge.
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What about the bullets he shot of the gun prior? :P
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But sure, that spinning is classy. Wonder whose idea it was: I bet it was Leone.
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Question solved.
IMDb post:
spinning the chamber?
by wpglory » Tue Apr 2 2013 20:08:23
IMDb member since November 2002
I got interested in this subject many decades ago, so I loaded one round in my Colt single action, and spun the cylinder. I found it takes very little practice to get very accurate at performing that trick. Your mind records the exact time to let the cylinder spin, your hand remembers just how much force to use for consistent rotation speed, and in no time you can do it every time. The question is, why would someone practice a stunt like this?
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Well its not just good enough to kill Ramon.......You have to send him to the grave proving that Joe was better with his pistol then Ramon was with his rifle..............When a man with a 45 comes up a man with a rifle.....the man with with a pistol is a dead man......Or something like that.....please dont correct me with exact dialog.
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I'm suddenly getting a terrible urge to watch FOD again (even though, living in liberal-dominated NYC, I've never touched a gun in my life...) I think I am gonna give my Ripley's BRD a spin :)
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just got done with watching the movie.... if you don't own the Ripley's BRD, you better buy it now.
that's it, I've said it for the final time; if you haven't listened to me till now, why would you listen now? (I'm looking at YOU, dj. For your own good.)
beautiful, beautiful image.
beautiful, beautiful movie
for the "mistake watchers," how about this one - when TMWNN returns to his room at the Rojos' compound after freeing Marisol and killing teh 5 Rojo men, we see him walk in just as the Rojos are returning to their compound.... and Ramon is already there, and already knows that Marisol is gone and the men have escaped... But there would have been no way for him to have found that out already, considering that he is in TMWNN's room as the rest of the Rojo men are returning; there could have been no way for him to have found out that info.
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just got done with watching the movie.... if you don't own the Ripley's BRD, you better buy it now.
that's it, I've said it for the final time; if you haven't listened to me till now, why would you listen now? (I'm looking at YOU, dj. For your own good.)
Yeah, yeah, I've got it in my amazon shopping cart. Just getting ready to pull the trigger . . .
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You getting the red box with all the collectibles, or just the gray box with the disc? Beaver seems to believe that the Leone autographs on the replica lobby cards or posters or whatever it is in the red box may be real and not printed on, but that HAS to be wrong - would Leone have signed all that shit years ago and they held on to it till now and included in a special edition BRD? No way....check out Beaver's page, on bottom where he discusses the collectibles stuff .... Anyway, i got the gray one..... btw, this is one recommendation I am confident I will not have to offer a buyback on ;-)
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I spotted another mistake, which may have been discussed previously: when TMWNN first sees the suit of armor in the Rojo home, it's full of bullet holes around the heart.. But when Ramon later has it rolled out for target practice at the party, there are no holes there, Ramon makes a bunch of fresh holes by the heart.... I assume that is a mistake??
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I usually don't care for continuity errors. So much energy is wasted on sets hunting these little things only 1% of the audience will notice after 10 viewings... Seriously, if filmmaking crews could stop worrying about this meaningless stuff, we'd have much much better movies. There is just too much stuff to do well on a set to worry about things that have no consequences at all.
That being said, this particular detail bugged me the very first time I watched FoD, beacause of the way they attracted our attention on the holes. Is it a mistake or does Ramon have several armors? It took me out of the movie during an interesting scene.
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You getting the red box with all the collectibles, or just the gray box with the disc?
the gray box.