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Title: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Poggle on September 20, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Well?
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 20, 2007, 05:39:58 PM
John.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 20, 2007, 05:41:42 PM
Do you know what this is?











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IT'S JESUS ROLLER SKATING OVER THE USSR AND OTHER BASTARD COMMIE NATIONS
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 20, 2007, 06:01:44 PM
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS?








(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/royalewithcheese9/marx.jpg)








GROUCHO MARX IMMOLATING KARL MARX VIA HUMONGOUS CIGAR
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 08:06:51 PM
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e15/Atlas2205/commiedogcopy.jpg)
the most evil dog in the world



F****ing communists!!!
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
They're both dead. But I'm gonna have to go to the guy who's body is preserved.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 08:22:10 PM
They're both dead. But I'm gonna have to go to the guy who's body is preserved.
state your reason for wanting a preserved body. because if you dont im gonna have to state whats on everyones mind right now ( or at least mine)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:23:58 PM
So I can be violated after death, duh.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 08:24:52 PM
Oh is that all? i thought you wanted to have a tea party or something
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: The Firecracker on September 20, 2007, 08:26:55 PM
( or at least mine)

Mine too.

They were both commies (Lennon at heart).
I'll have to go with the dude with the granny glasses.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:27:13 PM
Nope. Just a little action in the afterlife O0
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 20, 2007, 08:29:47 PM

Yeah let's blame it all on a man's utopian ideal about a perfect society... both Lenin and Marx have been blamed for "starting the communist movements we know today" but that is obviously not true.  All they did was write books.  Politicians use their ideals as a means to carry out their own selfish acts the way some religions use God as the reasoning behind their heinous actions.

But we all know that, don't we?  Oh wait, most of us go to public school.... never mind.   :-X
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 08:36:21 PM
the way i feel is that communism is a flawed system that acts against human nature, in turn causing the violence we see in its practice. did these communist countries deviate from the original plan? certainly, but i consider the deviation to be caused by that original flaw.

and there's a reason utopia mean "no place". these place are fine and dandy in fiction, but as history shows theyre not exactly the best idea's in the real world
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:39:30 PM
the way i feel is that communism is a flawed system that acts against human nature, in turn causing the violence we see in its practice. did these communist countries deviate from the original plan? certainly, but i consider the deviation to be caused by that original flaw.

and there's a reason utopia mean "no place". these place are fine and dandy in fiction, but as history shows theyre not exactly the best idea's in the real world

Yeah, that's basically it. Communes really only work in and with a small population, IMO... and that's just find and dandy.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 20, 2007, 08:40:10 PM
the way i feel is that communism is a flawed system that acts against human nature, in turn causing the violence we see in its practice. did these communist countries deviate from the original plan? certainly, but i consider the deviation to be caused by that original flaw.

and there's a reason utopia mean "no place". these place are fine and dandy in fiction, but as history shows theyre not exactly the best idea's in the real world

There has yet to be anyone who can accurately accomplish the communist doctrine. And there may never be anyone who can do it.

I say we resurrect Lennon and elect him as a world leader.  
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:44:51 PM
There has yet to be anyone who can accurately accomplish the communist doctrine. And there may never be anyone who can do it.

I say we resurrect Lennon and elect him as a world leader.  

Good thing his body's preserved. Add that to my reasons of wanting to be preserved: 1) Lovin' after death, 2) Being Resurrected in the distant fuuu-tuuure.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 08:49:03 PM
There has yet to be anyone who can accomplish the communist doctrine. And there may never be anyone who can do it.

I say we resurrect Lennon and elect him as a world leader.  
yeah im sorry sonny but im not too crazy about having the checka in place of our police force or commisars instead of teachers or bosses. and again even if you did try to strictly follow the communist doctrine it would still fail. all People are (to an extant) greedy and selfish. there are normal rational selfishness/greed (the pursuit of happiness is a selfish goal, being as it is a goal to make your self happy) and irrational "evil" selfishness/greed (robbery murder ect) communism trys to destroy one of the most basic/fundamental human instincts, the right of property. Just think about it, whats the first word you learn other then mommy or daddy? "Mine", mine is the most primary instinct known to man, to give up this instinct is to give up on life.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 20, 2007, 08:56:52 PM
yeah im sorry sonny but im not too crazy about having the checka in place of our police force or commisars instead of teachers or bosses. and again even if you did try to strictly follow the communist doctrine it would still fail. all People are (to an extant) greedy and selfish. there are normal rational selfishness/greed (the pursuit of happiness is a selfish goal, being as it is a goal to make your self happy) and irrational "evil" selfishness/greed (robbery murder ect) communism trys to destroy one of the most basic/fundamental human instincts, the right of property. Just think about it, whats the first word you learn other then mommy or daddy? "Mine", mine is the most primary instinct known to man, to give up this instinct is to give up on life.

Well the things you mentioned aren't what communism was meant to represent. The big flaw about the theories of books like The Communist Manifesto is that they planted the idea that people can be civil if given the chance, and represented ideas that cannot be followd by most people because, like you said, most people dont know what they want and need to be controlled. Communism was originally designed as a means to create freedom not destroy it the way modern politicians have done.

Conclusion; communism would only work if so many people in the world weren't so stupid.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 20, 2007, 08:59:25 PM
...Or if there weren't so many people... >:D Mwuahahahahaha
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 20, 2007, 09:01:38 PM
...Or if there weren't so many people... >:D Mwuahahahahaha

That too.  ;)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 20, 2007, 09:17:20 PM
...Or if there weren't so many people... >:D Mwuahahahahaha
thats probably the only actual way to make communism remotely work, in a weird twisted way. and its not so much that people are stupid, its just that it doesn't appeal to anyone that doesn't live in a 3rd world country. its not a good idea to share wealth evenly throughout the world. It may sound like a good idea to do it but its not, considering the amount of money in the world versues the amount of people distributing land and wealth equally would only cause world wide poverty, not equal wealth.

How can freedom be acheived through the restriction of freedom? sounds very Orwellian to me. the closest thing to complete freedom was the very thing karl marx fought against, Laizze-faire capitalism. In this nothing worked without a desicion, no one HAD to do anything. Industrailists didn't HAVE to make factories, and like wise workers didn't HAVE to work. it's a question of what the person valued, and it was obviouse that both the industrialists and the workers valued the same object, money. Only they both used money in different ways, workers to survive and industrialists to grow their industries (and of course theyre own personal gratification). was it the great? not really, i mean theres some good things about capitalism, but its not perfect. its probably the best system for individual freedom we have, but definetly not perfect.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 05:26:58 AM
Never cared for flower-boys ::)...
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 06:07:47 AM
yeah im sorry sonny but im not too crazy about having the checka in place of our police force or commisars instead of teachers or bosses. and again even if you did try to strictly follow the communist doctrine it would still fail. all People are (to an extant) greedy and selfish. there are normal rational selfishness/greed (the pursuit of happiness is a selfish goal, being as it is a goal to make your self happy) and irrational "evil" selfishness/greed (robbery murder ect) communism trys to destroy one of the most basic/fundamental human instincts, the right of property. Just think about it, whats the first word you learn other then mommy or daddy? "Mine", mine is the most primary instinct known to man, to give up this instinct is to give up on life.
The need to own is more of a result of the prevailing system than a basic human need, IMO.

Here is something I posted a while ago in another thread:
Of MFing course communism is impossible idea. I just said so in my last post and also said that it's the reason why I'm not for communism. It could work in small communities, with only tens or hundreds people, not in bigger scale.

Capitalism is great system for the strong ones who have the strenght to survive. But what about the weak, poor and sick ones? They are human beings too. That someone is weak doesn't mean that he/she isn't  as valuable as the winners. They deserve the same benefits as everyone else. On the other hand, the prevailing western system pushes people to the edge of insanity: they work their asses off because if they don't, they are nobodies. And at the same time Asians are working their asses off that you could see your rare favorite movie on new, nice, shiny DVD with superb extras. And they don't get paid a shit if even at all! capitalism doesn't work as it is supposed to, either. The idea is that the ones who work harder get more money, right? Well, it's not happening as long as Asians do hard 16 hour workdays just to get food and water and some clothes.   

I see Whaletoe's point, and good point that is. I can't solve that problem.

As Aki Kaurismäki has said, as soon as every Asian wants a refrigerator, modern society and the whole environment, Earth, is gonna collapse.

We are doomed! ;D   
The original thread: http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2016.60
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 06:26:37 AM
Can't say I'm a great fan of communism, but don't feed me fairy tales that capitalism is the only way out... Please...

Sure, it's nice to think that when you live in the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia or Japan. But if you live in Guatemala, Belize or Cambodia it doesn't work. As long as there are this countries called The Third World Countries, the dream of everybody works and gets paid for his work can live on. Because it's easy to buy a kilogram of bananas for 1.5$, and think it's a beautiful world, while some kid in Brazil works his ass out for 2 cents a day. Sure, capitalism is great, when you have someone to work for you. But this little dream of ours is gonna stop one day, and then we'll be in deep shit. We'll live in a world like in RoboCop or Blade Runner, we'll see our democracy and freedom then.

And I completely agree with my friend moviesceleton.
You don't need 3 televisions and two cars to live normally, SOMEONE MADE YOU BELIEVE IT IS YOUR HUMAN RIGHT.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 09:49:03 AM
You have a right to get what you earn. If you work hard and become a millionaire, then you're damned right to spend it on extravagances - it's your money. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, i.e. heirs and heirresses, who don't work a day in their lives, but what's wrong with people who worked hard to get a lot of money having a lot? I don't see it's fair that Bill Gates get all his money divided up just because he's rich (even though I've come to hate Microsoft). It's not his fault there's poverty in the world, and if he didn't have all of his money it wouldn't necessarily be going to the poor anyway.

We've had this argument before though. I don't think Communism is even a good idea in theory, any more than Fascism or Theocracy is. I find collectivist ideologies repulsive and anti-human.

On the other hand, I don't care for the Beatles either. . . so I'll abstain from voting. :P
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 21, 2007, 09:55:57 AM
You have a right to get what you earn.
this is what i mean by right to property, thank you groggy i was about to type something up until i say this
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 10:06:45 AM
Quote
You have a right to get what you earn.
You have the right to do many things, but that doesn't mean they're good things.

The Bible says something about being rich. I'll leave it to you Groggy to find it out. When you find that, there's another thing the Bible says - about laws. Then we can discuss.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 10:21:53 AM
Oh, I see. Everyone should an ascetic. That's nice. And completely moronic.

And you should keep in mind before you say anything that I'm an agnostic at best, an atheist at worst, so I honestly couldn't give a crap about what the Bible says in this or pretty much any instance.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 10:30:58 AM
Pretty strange for a Republican.
They have this habit to wave the Bible in every occasion, in order to show how much they believe in Him, yelling God bless America! in every chance they get.
So now you're saying that you don't really believe in God? That it's juts a farce?

Finally someone admitted, Republicans are communists.

I rest my case.  8)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Whalestoe on September 21, 2007, 10:45:08 AM
No, no, no... Republicans are fascists silly goose! ;)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 10:58:53 AM
Pretty strange for a Republican.
They have this habit to wave the Bible in every occasion, in order to show how much they believe in Him, yelling God bless America! in every chance they get.
So now you're saying that you don't really believe in God? That it's juts a farce?

Finally someone admitted, Republicans are communists.

I rest my case.  8)

I haven't been a Republican for over a year. Get your facts straight to filthy Bolshevik. ::)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 11:01:52 AM
You have a right to get what you earn. If you work hard and become a millionaire, then you're damned right to spend it on extravagances - it's your money.
I still say that those who have should aid those who have not. But here is an expample of what I don't mean: A rich guy has 100...lets say coins. And then there are these 98 guys how have one coin each. If they were supposed to divide everything even, the rich guy would give each one of the poor guys one coin. That way everyone would end up having two coins, right? But that's not what I'm after. Of course the rich guy has the right to have more money than the others because he has earned them. But that doesn't mean that he should have the right to keep them all to himself. We are not living in jungle. I think everyone should feel responsibility for other people. Not every human being is strong enough to take care of oneself.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 11:09:52 AM
No, no, no... Republicans are fascists silly goose! ;)
It's really all the same.  ;)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 11:11:36 AM
I still say that those who have should aid those who have not. But here is an expample of what I don't mean: A rich guy has 100...lets say coins. And then there are these 98 guys how have one coin each. If they were supposed to divide everything even, the rich guy would give each one of the poor guys one coin. That way everyone would end up having two coins, right? But that's not what I'm after. Of course the rich guy has the right to have more money than the others because he has earned them. But that doesn't mean that he should have the right to keep them all to himself. We are not living in jungle. I think everyone should feel responsibility for other people. Not every human being is strong enough to take care of oneself.

Should, but I don't see why they should be FORCED to.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 11:13:44 AM
I haven't been a Republican for over a year. Get your facts straight to filthy Bolshevik. ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

This is like George Best, when he said "Once I quit smoking, drinking and chasing women. Those were the worse 20 minute of my life!" A legend.

Once a Republican - always a ....

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 11:15:43 AM
Should, but I don't see why they should be FORCED to.
But poor people should be FORCED to work for lousy money. Great ethic.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 11:58:18 AM
And. . . WHERE do you get the idea that I support that you left-wing douchebag?

Yeah, I hate Communism. I also hate Nazism, Fascism, Theocracy, and any bullshit ideology that believes that people are nothing but raw material to be manipulated for its own advancement.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 12:00:48 PM
Okay, I'm done arguing about Communism. I've done it before, and I'm sick of it.

Let me just end on these terms:

- Communism = bad and impossible to implement in a way that doesn't involve the creation of a totalitarian dicatorship to enforce it
- Socialism = better than Communism, still rather crappy, but at least doable to an extent
- Capitalism = VERY flawed but WAY better than the alternative, or at least the alternative presented
- Tuco = Eat me
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 12:40:29 PM
Yeah, I hate Communism. I also hate Nazism, Fascism, Theocracy, and any bullshit ideology that believes that people are nothing but raw material to be manipulated for its own advancement.

 ;D ;D ;D

A capitalist says.


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 12:42:42 PM
I told you I'm done arguing douchebag.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Tuco the ugly on September 21, 2007, 12:45:56 PM
Groggy's retarded, we got the definitive proof.

Groggy thinks I'm a communist, that tells you how intelligent he is.

WHERE THE FUCK HAVE I TOLD I'M A COMMUNIST?
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
Groggy's retarded, we got the definitive proof.

Groggy thinks I'm a communist, that tells you how intelligent he is.

WHERE THE FUCK HAVE I TOLD I'M A COMMUNIST?


Well, WHERE THE FUCK DID I EVER SAY I WAS A CHRISTIAN!?!
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 12:55:49 PM
 ;D Okay, I just had the laugh of the day but still guys, cut it off.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 21, 2007, 02:11:58 PM
Shut yer woman mouth, Sonny, Commie-Nism suxxx.




For real though... I agree that Marx isn't the root of all evil.  But I also agree that his theory is flawed (though that is prob'ly biased by the drastic approaches of Stalin).  I do not believe a society can thrive without some form of incentive (i.e. Cash).

But I'm not ignorant to the fact that, in Capitalism, too greedy people get too much power by doing too terrible things.

And the po' folk get the shaft.



Which is why I am a Social Libertarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_libertarian
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 02:38:39 PM
Which is why I am a Social Libertarian.
I'm Old Gregg.

Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 05:16:26 PM
;D Okay, I just had the laugh of the day but still guys, cut it off.

Whatever. If these topics weren't started in the first place then we wouldn't have arguments like this. :P
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: BeauButabi on September 21, 2007, 06:46:01 PM
Kinda funny. Just one little topic, and two people, who both claim to be anti-communism, fight about stuff anyways and end up blamming the thread starter. ;D
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 21, 2007, 07:01:21 PM
Kinda funny. Just one little topic, and two people, who both claim to be anti-communism, fight about stuff anyways and end up blamming the thread starter. ;D

First of all, Tuco didn't blame the thread starter, I did.

But every time there's a thread on Communism, fierce arguments errupt. We should know this by now. . .  ::)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: BeauButabi on September 21, 2007, 07:10:18 PM
Just saying, it's you guys who are starting the fights, not because of a thread or because of the topic of communism. I've been to literally dozens of message boards where people who can't agree on things go back and forth with stupid shit. Just thought I'd try to start a "Don't you see, you guys..." moment and bring peace and harmony back to the group.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: moviesceleton on September 21, 2007, 10:33:26 PM
Just saying, it's you guys who are starting the fights, not because of a thread or because of the topic of communism. I've been to literally dozens of message boards where people who can't agree on things go back and forth with stupid shit. Just thought I'd try to start a "Don't you see, you guys..." moment and bring peace and harmony back to the group.
Groggy and Tuco probably just won't speak to eachother for a couple of days. They are not so stupid that they would think that the other is now his "enemy" or something.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: BeauButabi on September 21, 2007, 10:45:48 PM
Groggy and Tuco probably just won't speak to eachother for a couple of days. They are not so stupid that they would think that the other is now his "enemy" or something.
Fooled me.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 21, 2007, 10:56:29 PM
hey a good ol' cold war here and there never hurt anyone, now did it?
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 22, 2007, 08:37:56 AM


wow, i'm gone for ONE DAY and already I see fierce yet useless arguments over politics. 

I hope you guys are calmed down, otherwise i have to block the thread.   O0
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: PowerRR on September 22, 2007, 08:44:11 AM
THERE GOES SONNY THREATENING TO DELETE MORE THREADS
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Groggy on September 22, 2007, 08:44:19 AM
Groggy and Tuco probably just won't speak to eachother for a couple of days. They are not so stupid that they would think that the other is now his "enemy" or something.

I'm more than happy to talk with him in other threads. I don't have enemies on the Internet unless they try to hack me or screw up my accounts. I'm not even that upset, the Internet simply amplifies my "rage", I enjoy arguing over stupid things.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 22, 2007, 08:44:57 AM
THERE GOES SONNY THREATENING TO DELETE MORE THREADS

What other threads has she deleted?
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: PowerRR on September 22, 2007, 08:52:58 AM
What other threads has she deleted?
THERE GOES SONNY THREATENING TO DELETE MORE THREADS
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 22, 2007, 08:56:42 AM
I'm just sick of y'allz jumping over Sonny without particular reason.


PERFECT EXAMPLE.


The beauty pagent thread that was deleted where you all said "SONNY NEEDS TO STOP BEING A POWER HUNGRY BITCH JUST BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME." Or something to that extent.


Turns out the thread was deleted by Banjo, because Jon was making his first return posts on that thread.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: PowerRR on September 22, 2007, 09:02:29 AM
But she still threatened to delete it for no particular reason. It doesn't mean she WOULD have deleted it, though she did threaten. I can vaguely recall other instances as well.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 22, 2007, 09:08:11 AM
Well, when it DID get deleted you guys flipped the hell out.

Somebody said "This rings of socialism!"

What the fuznuck.


And i seem to recall TB saying "I want to punch Sonny in her woman mouth."
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Poggle on September 22, 2007, 01:21:01 PM
Heehee, I would've never imagined the thread would've went in this direction. I started it for the sake of seeing how people would react to such a question(and to be silly).
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: titoli on September 22, 2007, 01:40:15 PM
Quote
both Lenin and Marx have been blamed for "starting the communist movements we know today" but that is obviously not true.  All they did was write books.

Uhm, must have read the wrong history books when I was young...We need Dave Jenkins in a hurry.
Anyway, I would never trade Sexy Sadie for Imperialism or She Said She Said for State and Revolution. They are shorter and more meaningful. And Tomorrow Never Knows it is more hypnotic than Materialism and Empiriocriticism.
P.S. But how much She Said was Harrison's work? Listening to the first take with Lennon on the acoustic guitar  one realizes that it must have been the lead guitar player's work turning it inside out and make it the masterpiece we know. 
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 22, 2007, 04:56:13 PM
Uhm, must have read the wrong history books when I was young..


Umm, you must've not understood what i meant.  Understandable.  Allow me to elaborate further...

The main reason why they (Lenin and Marx) have been blamed for STARTING the communist movements of today was because Marx was the first to write a book on the term we use today as communism.  Marx's ideas were not what communism represents today. Perhaps Lenin was the first to misinterpret Marx, but it was not because Marx inspired the grotesque idealism that communism holds today.  I suppose a word that can accurately describe Marx's original idealism is "naive".

I suppose one of the books you read when you were young wasn't The Communist Manifesto...  ;)
 
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: titoli on September 22, 2007, 06:39:57 PM
Uhm,  I'm afraid you didn't spend your teen years reading Marx and Lenin and been listening too much Lennon. Well, if that is the case you did the right thing. I didn't.

To describe Marx and Lenin (the greatest revolutionary in history, save maybe Mao) simply as "bookworms" is paradoxical (why Marx was spending his time in London instead of Germany? Just to be able to go each morning to exploit the British Museum's library large opportunities?). But naive as applied to Marx is the most extraordinary adjective I heard applied to him: it is like describing George Bush jr as literate. I do not know where you did get that idea (unless you thought it up by yourself) but, really, it is extraordinary.

Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 22, 2007, 07:56:02 PM
Uhm,  I'm afraid you didn't spend your teen years reading Marx and Lenin and been listening too much Lennon. Well, if that is the case you did the right thing. I didn't.

To describe Marx and Lenin (the greatest revolutionary in history, save maybe Mao) simply as "bookworms" is paradoxical (why Marx was spending his time in London instead of Germany? Just to be able to go each morning to exploit the British Museum's library large opportunities?). But naive as applied to Marx is the most extraordinary adjective I heard applied to him: it is like describing George Bush jr as literate. I do not know where you did get that idea (unless you thought it up by yourself) but, really, it is extraordinary.



Coming from you I am left with no choice, I must take your comment as a complemenet.  Yes, it was me who came up with the term "navie" for Marx. If you think about it ti's quite obvious.  He dedicated much of his time on writing ideas with outcomes he assumed could happen, but were actually simply too... unrealistic.
So, instead of just using the word "navie", let's use this to describe him.. "idealistically naive" to be more to the point.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: titoli on September 23, 2007, 03:28:49 AM
You're a doll.  :-*
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: noodles_leone on September 23, 2007, 06:08:56 AM

wow, i'm gone for ONE DAY and already I see fierce yet useless arguments over politics. 

I hope you guys are calmed down, otherwise i have to block the thread.   O0

You filthy fascist. We have the right to speak !

(don't pay any attention to me, i'm a nihilist. And YES, this is exhausting.)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: noodles_leone on September 23, 2007, 06:14:03 AM
And i seem to recall TB saying "I want to punch Sonny in her woman mouth."

TB has always had strange sexual habits.








I think we will all admit that this post HAS to be deleted.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Sonny on September 23, 2007, 07:48:01 AM
You filthy fascist. We have the right to speak !

(don't pay any attention to me, i'm a nihilist. And YES, this is exhausting.)

Where the heck have you been?  Too busy having a life?  ::)
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: The Firecracker on September 23, 2007, 01:38:33 PM
Well, WHERE THE FUCK DID I EVER SAY I WAS A CHRISTIAN!?!


Why the fuck are you getting angry?
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 23, 2007, 01:40:58 PM
Where the fuck are my ritz crackers
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: BeauButabi on September 23, 2007, 02:19:04 PM
Why the fuck isn't this real butter!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Kurug3n on September 23, 2007, 03:12:14 PM
TB has always had strange sexual habits.

my friend pissface and his girlfriend have the same habit.Well at least thats me and my friends analyses on why they wear those big glasses all the time.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Silenzio on September 23, 2007, 03:58:44 PM
my friend pissface and his girlfriend have the same habit.Well at least thats me and my friends analyses on why they wear those big glasses all the time.

Your friend has my blessing for his unfortunate name.  :(
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Kurug3n on September 23, 2007, 10:30:59 PM
Your friend has my blessing for his unfortunate name.  :(

yeah he takes it in pride though he really shouldn't :-\ funny story though O0
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 23, 2007, 10:35:45 PM
yeah he takes it in pride though he really shouldn't :-\ funny story though O0
piss+face=pissface?

unfortunatly ive seen that before    :-\
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: noodles_leone on September 24, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
Where the heck have you been?  Too busy having a life?  ::)

I'm here from time to time, i even post about once a week... But i've been very busy lately (i had to make a movie in one week... it is on youtube but i don't post any link here since it's all about the soundtrack and it is in french). Good news : i'll at last have internet at home within the week, which will allow me to be with you more than ever.


Anyway, i voted for Lennon since he is a better singer than the other one.
Title: Re: Lenin vs. Lennon
Post by: Atlas2112 on September 24, 2007, 09:38:34 AM
Anyway, i voted for Lennon since he is a better singer than the other one.
too true, i find that Lenin has to much vibrato in his voice, also im not a very big fan of soprano singing. But i have to say, Lenin was a wonderful dancer, much better then church hill or hitler. Lenin's tap puts me in ecstacy.