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Title: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: dreaddy on October 06, 2007, 09:27:26 PM
Just wondering if this movie would have been as successful and popular as it is without Morricone's trademark music.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: shades on October 07, 2007, 03:20:09 AM
Not only the music but also the catchy title have contributed to its success.

 :)
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Ramon on October 07, 2007, 04:47:11 AM
When I first watched this movie in about 1976 when they showed it on TV it was on the basis of having heard the GBU music which had been in the charts years earlier. (Now I'm showing my age). At the time I didn't have a clue what the movie was about. I'm glad I watched it! 30 years later its still my favourite movie.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Groggy on October 07, 2007, 11:15:00 AM
Morricone and Clint are probably the two biggest reasons it was such a huge hit.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tuco the ugly on October 07, 2007, 11:36:08 AM
Morricone and Clint are probably the two biggest reasons it was such a huge hit.

Only at the time Groggy, only at the time. Clint could make the difference only at the time, an only in USA I fear.

The reason why it is still today, not only just a huge hit as you call it but an evergreen, is the fact that it is a great film in all segments, therefore a superb masterpiece. Then, now, in the future - always.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tuco the ugly on October 07, 2007, 11:39:28 AM
Just wondering if this movie would have been as successful and popular as it is without Morricone's trademark music.
I honestly don't think so. Most of the scenes wouldn't work without Morricone's music.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Groggy on October 07, 2007, 12:39:45 PM
Only at the time Groggy, only at the time. Clint could make the difference only at the time, an only in USA I fear.

The reason why it is still today, not only just a huge hit as you call it but an evergreen, is the fact that it is a great film in all segments, therefore a superb masterpiece. Then, now, in the future - always.

Oh I'm not arguing that point, but if it hadn't been successful in the first place it wouldn't be so well-known now. I mean OUATITW was a failure in the US (obviously it wasn't overseas) and it's only recently become well-known among the general public. Even now, most of its fans are film buffs, whihc most people aren't.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Mw/NNrules on October 12, 2007, 04:38:08 PM
I think that the movie still would've been cool w/o it, but perhaps a little less exciting. I can't imagine GBU w/o it, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be good.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Ben Tyreen on October 13, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
  It'd still be a good movie, but just not the same.  All the really great scenes that come to mind, the Carriage of Spirits, Ecstacy of Gold, and The Trio, among others, I have trouble imagining them without Morricone's music.  Even insert a different score from another composer, still hard. Imagine a more American sounding score, say from Jerry Goldsmith or Elmer Bernstein.

  Ok, Bernstein doing the Dollars trilogy might be interesting.  ;D
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: noodles_leone on October 15, 2007, 09:23:05 AM
Well, Leone was a genius. And part of his genius was to know how to choose good collaborators, and how to obtain something great from each one.

Claudia Cardinale has never impressed me exept in OUATITW
CHarles Bronson can also be one of the worst actors ever, he is outstanding in OUATITW.
Clint Eastwood was never as well used than in Leone films.
Ennio Morricone made some terrible music sometimes (A Gringo Like Me, The Professional...) but he was always at the top with Leone (not only with Leone).
Mario Brega was not even an actor.
Vincenzoni HATES what he wrote for Leone (listen to him in the intervew on the MNIN dvd). Still, Leone got him to do that.

This is why i think Leone would have found another guy who could do a great job. DOn't forget that Eastwood and Van Cleef are not his first choices...
Of course, all of us know that the alliance Morricone/Leone is THE perfect team. So GBU wouldn't be as good as it is, but i'm sure it would still be a masterpiece.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 15, 2007, 09:53:42 AM
Obviously Morricone's score is one of the main reason's to the success of this film. That being said, people still need to realize the brilliance of Leone's direction as well. I absolutely hate it when someone says that LEONE's films are only good because of the music. I guess they weren't paying attention while they watched the films.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: noodles_leone on October 15, 2007, 10:01:59 AM
I absolutely hate it when someone says that LEONE's films are only good because of the music. I guess they weren't paying attention while they watched the films.

Don't forget that most people don't really care for movies. They don't think about it. Many people don't even know if they liked a movie or not. They just watched it. i'm not criticizing them, i don't really care when i see an athlete running, which doesn't mean that this is not interesting.

But most people care for music.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Sonny on October 15, 2007, 05:00:35 PM

Yes, popular media adopted Morricone's theme for GBU and that is why most people can recognize it. But don't ask them who Leone is cos they'll die of confusion...  :P
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 16, 2007, 11:06:27 AM
Yes, popular media adopted Morricone's theme for GBU and that is why most people can recognize it. But don't ask them who Leone is cos they'll die of confusion...  :P

Yeah, it's sad when your normal movie goer won't just sit down, be patient, and watch Sergio's Films.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Groggy on October 16, 2007, 11:10:38 AM
Yeah, it's sad when your normal movie goer won't just sit down, be patient, and watch Sergio's Films.

Are we sure we all aren't just being snobbish here? >:D
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: noodles_leone on October 16, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
Are we sure we all aren't just being snobbish here? >:D

We don't want your comments, you filthy communist.






 :D :D :D
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 16, 2007, 11:55:01 AM
Are we sure we all aren't just being snobbish here? >:D

oh not at all! :)
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 16, 2007, 11:56:14 AM
We don't want your comments, you filthy communist.






 :D :D :D

 ;D
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Groggy on October 16, 2007, 03:03:49 PM
We don't want your comments, you filthy communist.






 :D :D :D

I will not stand for this defamation! I am (or last was according to certain members of this board) a Fascist! Get your story straight! :P
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: archangel on November 26, 2007, 01:04:19 AM
hi,
in my humble little opinion:
accident or no, the main players, in front of, and behind the camera, in these SL SW's share a unique simbiotic relationship.
this only happens when chance is a player.
it was with these SW's.
the world is better for it.
enjoy.
DR9.

Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: Sonny on January 24, 2008, 04:48:20 PM
I will not stand for this defamation! I am (or last was according to certain members of this board) a Fascist! Get your story straight! :P

wow, i've been away so long.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: Clinton on January 25, 2008, 02:35:54 AM
Well, Leone was a genius. And part of his genius was to know how to choose good collaborators, and how to obtain something great from each one.

Claudia Cardinale has never impressed me exept in OUATITW
CHarles Bronson can also be one of the worst actors ever, he is outstanding in OUATITW.
Clint Eastwood was never as well used than in Leone films.
Ennio Morricone made some terrible music sometimes (A Gringo Like Me, The Professional...) but he was always at the top with Leone (not only with Leone).
Mario Brega was not even an actor.
Vincenzoni HATES what he wrote for Leone (listen to him in the intervew on the MNIN dvd). Still, Leone got him to do that.

This is why i think Leone would have found another guy who could do a great job. DOn't forget that Eastwood and Van Cleef are not his first choices...
Of course, all of us know that the alliance Morricone/Leone is THE perfect team. So GBU wouldn't be as good as it is, but i'm sure it would still be a masterpiece.

Nicely stated. I fully agree, but I would accentuate Morricone's essential contribution even more. I don't think GBU would have been a masterpiece without Morricone. On the side, during the tributary film for Morricone at the Oscars 2007, I noticed the particularly strong audience reaction when the theme of the GBU was played.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: T.H. on February 13, 2008, 08:50:30 PM
I think we need to look at AFOD, a highly underrated soundtrack that wasn't properly implemented into the film as seemlessly as the later five collaborations. To use a worn out cliche, it takes two to tango. The images propel the music and vice versa. While the film and its music are brilliant in their own right, it isn't fair to compare a piece of music (or soundtrack) to a film stripped of said music. The music will always win, because of what it is, music.

Noodles said it best (to paraphrase) with the "Leone gets the best out of his crew" comment. Sergio certainly would have demanded a lot from his hypothetical composer and if he wasn't satisfied he surely would have gone the Kubrick route and found music that complemented his film.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: marmota-b on February 14, 2008, 02:43:15 AM
On the side, during the tributary film for Morricone at the Oscars 2007, I noticed the particularly strong audience reaction when the theme of the GBU was played.

No wonder. I've always loved it most, too.
Now I need English translation of a very proper Czech saying perfectly fitting to this situation. Don't tell me you don't have such word... but I even cannot tell you what word! >:(
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: Cusser on February 14, 2008, 11:57:47 AM

Noodles said it best (to paraphrase) with the "Leone gets the best out of his crew" comment.

Agree.  Look at Lee Van Cleef's acting performances, he was great in FDM and GBU, but substantially more wooden in his other roles.  Don't get me wrong - I thought Van Cleef was a great one - but Leone pulled out his best.  Maybe it was because Leone acted out the scenes for him, better than verbal direction???
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: T.H. on February 14, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
I watched Kansas City Confidential the other day and was slightly disappointed with LVC's performance. With Bronson, it's even worse. "This is the same man who played Harmonica?"
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: The Firecracker on March 15, 2008, 02:35:42 PM
The question of the thread is a simple one, when talking about the United States.

Clint is the only reason this is such a huge hit here. When the movie aires monthly on AMC, or elsewhere, it is advertised as an Eastwood film. When they  play it back to back the affair is referred to as "Eastwood Night".
Many people do know about Leone being the master behind this excellent movie but these folks are in the minority...

at least in the states.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: moviesceleton on March 16, 2008, 05:17:11 AM
The question of the thread is a simple one, when talking about the United States.

Clint is the only reason this is such a huge hit here. When the movie aires monthly on AMC, or elsewhere, it is advertised as an Eastwood film. When they  play it back to back the affair is referred to as "Eastwood Night".
Many people do know about Leone being the master behind this excellent movie but these folks are in the minority...

at least in the states.
Basically, it's the same here. And I'd guess everywhere except maybe in Italy.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: noodles_leone on March 17, 2008, 06:53:42 AM
I don't think so... I mean, not everywhere: not in France, for instance, where Leone is a well kown director. May be not among my generation, but still.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: moviesceleton on March 17, 2008, 07:53:47 AM
I don't think so... I mean, not everywhere: not in France, for instance, where Leone is a well kown director. May be not among my generation, but still.
You're proving the point here. Not among our generation nor among most people because most people don't know any directors, except maybe Spielberg and Hitchcock and even those only by name. Leone is also very recognized director here, among...shall we say the "middle class movie buffs", those who can say that movies are their hobby but they don't have academical approach to it (they don't have to like an 8-hour Bulgarian silent movie just because it's a "classic"). You see the difference? ;)
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: Tuco the ugly on March 17, 2008, 08:02:27 AM
You're proving the point here. Not among our generation nor among most people because most people don't know any directors, except maybe Spielberg and Hitchcock and even those only by name. Leone is also very recognized director here, among...shall we say the "middle class movie buffs", those who can say that movies are their hobby but they don't have academical approach to it (they don't have to like an 8-hour Bulgarian silent movie just because it's a "classic"). You see the difference? ;)

Uohohou! Wait a second! What's this OUR generation? You are not OUR generation boy, you can't stay awake after 22:00 if you don't ask your mom first! Have that in mind next time you throw easily one of those 'generation annotations'.

P.S. I agree.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: noodles_leone on March 17, 2008, 08:19:30 AM
You're proving the point here. Not among our generation nor among most people because most people don't know any directors, except maybe Spielberg and Hitchcock and even those only by name. Leone is also very recognized director here, among...shall we say the "middle class movie buffs", those who can say that movies are their hobby but they don't have academical approach to it (they don't have to like an 8-hour Bulgarian silent movie just because it's a "classic"). You see the difference? ;)

i see it :) still, Leone is very famous in France among former generations. OUATITW had a better box office in france in theaters than any Spielberg film...
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: moviesceleton on March 17, 2008, 08:26:55 AM
Uohohou! Wait a second! What's this OUR generation? You are not OUR generation boy, you can't stay awake after 22:00 if you don't ask your mom first! Have that in mind next time you throw easily on of those 'generation annotations'.

P.S. I agree.
;D ;D I had to think about that a few seconds but then I decided that because noodles_leone is only four years older than I am we kinda are part of the same generation.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: noodles_leone on March 17, 2008, 08:29:11 AM
;D ;D I had to think about that a few seconds but then I decided that because noodles_leone is only four years older than I am we kinda are part of the same generation.

Not even part of the same world, boy.

Go play with your wii and let the adults talk about serious stuffs (such as communist rabbits and the like).
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: moviesceleton on March 17, 2008, 08:32:56 AM
You couple of old farts.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movie
Post by: noodles_leone on March 17, 2008, 08:36:23 AM
You couple of old farts.

You kid shouldn't play so rough. Somebody's gonna get hurt.
Title: Re: To what extent has Morricone's music contributed to the success of this movi
Post by: Tuco the ugly on March 17, 2008, 08:38:17 AM
We warned you, didn't we?

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