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Films of Sergio Leone => For a Few Dollars More => Topic started by: Cal on November 11, 2002, 07:14:56 PM

Title: The Man With No Name
Post by: Cal on November 11, 2002, 07:14:56 PM
Since this is a brand new board, I figured I'd start some posts.

Yes American audiences knew him as The Man With No Name, but in thsi film someone called him something else. What was it and what does it mean?
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: Brendan on November 11, 2002, 09:39:19 PM
I know his real name was Monco, but I have no idea what it means. I didnt think it meant anything. I thought it was just a name.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: KC on November 11, 2002, 10:38:26 PM
Actually, Eastwood's character doesn't really have a name in any of the three Leone pictures. He's called "Joe" in A Fistful of Dollars ... but only by the little old coffin maker, who for all we know calls all Gringos "Joe." He's called "Blondy" in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, but again only by one character, Tuco. And in For a Few Dollars More, he's called "Manco" (in English language prints) or "Monco" (in Italian prints, and in the Italian credits, and in the credits for the American release, which were copied from the Italian). That is a sobriquet, not a real name; "Manco" and "Monco" mean the same thing in Spanish and Italian, namely, one-handed or maimed.

From the  University of Chicago Spanish Dictionary has it: "manco. adj. one-armed; one-handed; maimed; lame (referring to an arm or the front leg of an animal); faulty, defective."

From the Concise Cambridge Italian Dictionary: "monco, adj. maimed; (fig.); deficient; incomplete; stunted; n.m. person who has lost one, or both, of his hands; cripple."

It was confirmed for me by Sergio Donati (one of the screenwriters, uncredited) that this nickname was chosen for Eastwood's character as a sardonic comment on the fact that he never does anything with his right hand ... except shoot.

Eastwood's character is called by this name only twice in the film (both times, in his absence) ... once by the Sheriff of Tucumcari, when he's telling Col. Mortimer that another man is on Red Cavanaugh's trail, and once by Indio, when he asks NiƱo how long he's known that "Manco is a bounty killer."

As in the other films, he never refers to himself by this name or any name at all.

KC
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: Cal on November 12, 2002, 07:34:15 PM
Thanks for the info KC.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: AS on November 15, 2002, 01:36:08 PM
Monco also means another thing: FAFDM was in 1965 the "sequel" of FOD. In this film Mario Brega beats Joe's hand with this heel...and in the following film Joe is Monco, while Chico becames Nino with a ugly wound in his face, this also caused by Joe in the previous film! and so on...Many of the actors of FOD resurrect in FAFDM!!!
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: caius on December 20, 2002, 06:44:53 AM
thats a good point about the hand.  its intressting how leone brings across actors from all three films into different parts.  all the bandits in the first two seem to be the same.  There must be some meaning to these, and i'm guessing the monco/manco name has a direct link to FOD
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: cigar joe on December 21, 2002, 05:54:56 PM
I think the only link was that they were good character actors, the  timeline puts GBU first (black powder guns, though converted to cartriges) FAFDM is next (cartrige revolvers) and the machine gun that Ramon uses puts FOD the last.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: caius on December 22, 2002, 08:38:57 AM
clint also has the apperance of a much younger person in gbu, the way he dresses and the fact that although he is a maverick, he uses a partner.  I am not an expert on american history (as i am english, and we are to stuborn minded to bother learning about it,) , so i wouldn't be able to criticise your chronological ordering by weapons.  Although i cannot feel that leone could have paid to much attention the actual date set of the movies, if we were to ask him i am sure that he would say he did not have a set date, but used a certain period around which he could set his movie.  So for instance he needed to use civil war times to create GBU, so he just tried to incorporate things from the time to give the movie a feel of realism, not a direct parrallel to the time.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: cigar joe on December 23, 2002, 05:41:48 AM
I'm sure what you say is true, the low budget spartan nature of FOD would be at the mercy of what the crew could gather together. Its more like it was set on a distant planet called the West, lol. As the movies gained popularity and budget more attention was paid to details.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: johnk on January 11, 2003, 11:24:13 AM
I read somewhere that the name meant ' The monk'
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: johnk on January 11, 2003, 11:29:34 AM
I know his real name was Monco, but I have no idea what it means. I didnt think it meant anything. I thought it was just a name.

I read somewhere it meant the ' Monk' (nickname)
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: KC on February 17, 2003, 07:47:26 PM
Despite what you may have read (for instance in Richard Schickel's error-ridden Eastwood biography, or in Robert C. Cumbow's Leone study), Monco does not mean "monk" in any language. Neither does "Manco." Please see my post above, the third one in this thread.

The Italian word for "monk" is monaco. The Spanish word for "monk" is monje.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: noodles_leone on March 31, 2003, 08:41:22 AM
I don't know what you are exactly saying: i don't i don't know what does monco means in english. Here is what i know about the man with no name's name :) :

Eastwood's name in french is : "le manchot", which means somebody with only one hand (may be it is the same with "monco" in english, i've no idea).

At the begining of the movie, he keeps one arm hidden under his poncho (and like that he can surprise some guys and kill them in drawing with the hidden hand).

Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: shorty larsen on March 31, 2003, 12:43:42 PM
In spanish the word "manco" (and not "monco") means "manchot" in french, it means a man with only one arm.

I think maybe it was Leone's intention to give Eastwood character that name. There's perhaps a pronounciation mistake, I really dont' know.
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: Nothing but a rotten son of a... on October 11, 2003, 12:42:34 PM
I think the only link was that they were good character actors, the  timeline puts GBU first (black powder guns, though converted to cartriges) FAFDM is next (cartrige revolvers) and the machine gun that Ramon uses puts FOD the last.

Nope. You can forget about working out the timelines from the props as there are plenty of known anachronisms in Leone's films.

The nickname "Manco" ("one-handed" in Spanish) and the fact that his shooting hand is braced (and used for nothing else than shooting) in FFDM is an obvious reference to the fact that his hand was crushed in FOD.

GBU is equally obvious a prequel to both FOD and FFDM as they are obviously set after the Civil War (probably in the 1870's as evidenced by dates on tombstones and newspapers). Remember also that the character gets his poncho and other attributes in GBU...
Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: mortimerforever on June 05, 2004, 11:12:56 AM
joe is probable what piripero calls him
blondie is just a nickname so i think manco[or monco] is his real name.

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Title: Re:The Man With No Name
Post by: DJIMBO on June 05, 2004, 02:00:29 PM
i think that piripero's reference to man with no name as 'Joe' is indicative of the american way of calling people 'joes'. To piripero he is a Joe.
Title: Re: The Man With No Name
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 21, 2012, 11:00:15 PM
the name "Manco" ("one handed") has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his hand was crushed in FOD: it was his LEFT HAND that Chico stepped on -- the same hand Manco always uses for everything but shooting (and I believe Chico has a similar scar in FOD as does Nino is FAFDM; it's just more red and bloody in FAFDM). In fact, in the the commentary to FOD, Frayling remarked how dumb Chico was to step on Joe's non-shooting hand; if he had instead stepped on his right hand, there is no way Joe could have engaged the Rojos in that shootout).

The name "Manco" is cuz he does everything with his left hand so his shooting hand -- the one with his signature leather gauntlet -- is always free. It is absolutely no reference whatsoever to FOD. The only reference that any film of the "trilogy" has to any other, is TMWNN hetting the clothing at the end of GBU that he would "later" wear in FOD and FAFDM (both of which clearly took place after GBU).

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p.s. I had some fun recently reviving some very early discussions on FOD, and I'm doing the same now with some old FAFDM threads I find interesting :) (In this case, I believe most of the participants of this thread (except cigar joe) aren't on the boards anymore, but I respinded here anyway cuz IMO this thread contained misinformation, and I think it's important to correct any misinformation on the boards  ;) )