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Title: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: titoli on May 04, 2010, 11:47:48 AM
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I think this hasn't stood the test of time so well, though it earned an award at Cannes. It has the kind of scope of Ford's Iron Horse but the back-projections, the studio made open air scenes, the "funny" characters, the stale love story mar the good parts. I like the very original scene of the Indian train assault, but there you also have bits of childish hollywoodism with the Indian letting themselves be killed for pleasure. Add to that the b&w and that makes me wonder I may go through it 30 years from now (assuming I'll be here to do it). 6\10
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 04, 2010, 08:27:26 PM
This one has a little nostalgia tied in it for me. Before I ever loved movies, or westerns, my dad would show me this movie for all the trains. Since I was little I've always liked this movie, and I still do.

However, I now notice how Hollywood it is. I much prefer Ford's "The Iron Horse" which just looks so f*cking authentic that it seems more like a documentary on the building of the railroad rather than a movie of it ( yet the film still maintains its fun revenge plot ).   
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 04, 2016, 11:25:08 AM
Just saw the DVD. First viewing. I give this movie a 7.5/10 (DVD looks great)

Barbara Stanwyck with a phony Irish accent  :'( :'( :'( Actually, I have never liked Stanwyck much. Blasphemy, I know. She was decent, but I never thought she was great. Double Indemnity is one of my all-time favorite movies, despite her, not because of her. Whatever fame her Phyllis Dietrichson has is cuz of the anklet and the towel and the cheap wig, not Stanwyck. She's one of those about whom I really can't understand why she was considered so great.

Joel McCrea is another guy I never knew how he became a big leading man. He should have been a nobody. Not that he particularly annoys me here; he is just plain average, nothing special. I like Robert Preston; Akim Tamiroff is always good.

This is a movie that could never be made today: of course, the depiction of Indians as (gasp!) backward savages. But also because of the unabashed "America, rah-rah" thing. This movie is, plain and simple, a celebration of America, of a particular time in American history, with the almost-sacred ceremony at the end.

Whether for better or worse, these movies that are blatant celebrations of America or whatever you wanna call it, are not made anymore.

I know this movie is often compared with The Iron Horse, but I haven't seen that one; I haven't seen too many silent films; I don't bother to go out and rent them, but if TIH plays on TCM eventually I'll see it.

Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: stanton on March 05, 2016, 02:34:40 AM


Whether for better or worse, these movies that are a blatant celebrations of America or whatever you wanna call it, are not made anymore.




Really? I think there are still a lot. Like the 2 nukethewhitehouse films
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: Groggy on March 05, 2016, 11:37:35 AM
Transformers as well. American Sniper.
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 12, 2021, 06:47:52 AM
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=28573
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: stanton on May 13, 2021, 06:59:14 AM
I like Union Pacific very much.

It's the best of DeMille's westerns, and maybe the best film he ever did. And also the best of the 1939 westerns, with which the genre was rebooted.
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 13, 2021, 10:07:41 AM
I like Union Pacific very much.

It's the best of DeMille's westerns, and maybe the best film he ever did. And also the best of the 1939 westerns, with which the genre was rebooted.
Wow, what an endorsement! I may have to get this one . . .
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: stanton on May 14, 2021, 04:38:47 AM
Well, most won't share my opinion, at least not for the influential 39 westerns. They are all good, similar good, but I think I like this one the most.

Stagecoach (J. Ford)
Jesse James (H. King)
Dodge City (M. Curtiz)

Ok, then there is Destry Rides Again (G. Marshall), also a classic, but this one is not that good.

And Ford's Drums Along the Mohawk is also of some interest, but has also the usual share of Fordian flaws.
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 14, 2021, 05:34:50 AM
Well, most won't share my opinion, at least not for the influential 39 westerns. They are all good, similar good, but I think I like this one the most.

Stagecoach (J. Ford)
Jesse James (H. King)
Dodge City (M. Curtiz)

Ok, then there is Destry Rides Again (G. Marshall), also a classic, but this one is not that good.

And Ford's Drums Along the Mohawk is also of some interest, but has also the usual share of Fordian flaws.

I don?t like Drums Along the Mohawk. Anyway it?s not a Western. It?s a Revolutionary War movie.
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: stanton on May 14, 2021, 10:47:13 AM
Depends on how one defines the term "western". This is the kind of Pre-Western which most people and most books view as a western. Like Demille's The Unconquered or Vidor's Northwest Passage or the several versions of The Last Mohican
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: cigar joe on May 17, 2021, 03:11:12 PM
Depends on how one defines the term "western". This is the kind of Pre-Western which most people and most books view as a western. Like Demille's The Unconquered or Vidor's Northwest Passage or the several versions of The Last Mohican

I call them Frontier Epics
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: T.H. on May 18, 2021, 11:48:13 AM
Wow, what an endorsement! I may have to get this one . . .
I always avoided this due to the 2+ hour runtime, but I'll also give it a shot. But there's no way I'm going into this thinking it would compare to Stagecoach in any way.
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: stanton on May 18, 2021, 01:53:47 PM
Well, if you like DeMille's epics, you will like this one too, if not ...

And Stagecoach, too much flaws to be as good as it could be, or better should be. 8/10
Title: Re: Union Pacific (1939)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 18, 2021, 07:03:40 PM
I always avoided this due to the 2+ hour runtime, but I'll also give it a shot.
stanton speaks and board members hop to it!