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so if they were about to get married in a few hours, you don't think Brett would have used the word "mother" yet?

I could be wrong of course and your guess makes perfect sense too, but my opinion also comes from the idea I made of  the character of Jill through the whole movie. I mean: what her character is metaphor of.
She represents the hope in the future, she is the symbol of the transition from the old world, the old West,  and the new world that is going to be born with the railway construction. She is the "trait d'union" between the old times and the modern times. So, to me, absolutely a positive character.
But maybe it's me to be too romantic and not enough cynical to see a different interepretation....consider I fell in love with Claudia Cardinale since the first time I saw her getting off the train in Flagstone (and I was only eight)....

Before reading this discussion nothing ever made me doubt about Jill and Brett marriage. After, I remain of the same idea.
There is a clue that convince me to believe Jill was not lying about her marriage: when Brett is talking to his elder son (Patrick?), he refers to Jill as "his mother", and he replies that his real mother was dead.
So, I guess Brett uses this expression just because he had married Jill, also with the intention to give a "new" mother to his children.
I think he would have not talked that way if they were just engaged or simple lovers.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Eli Wallach's Oscar
« on: March 07, 2011, 09:23:12 AM »
Great picture!  The good, the BOB and the Ugly....

congratulations Eli!!!!

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The name "Tuco"
« on: February 14, 2011, 08:28:38 AM »
That could very well be, Cigar Joe. In fact, I think you may have hit the nail in the head. In Spanish, given names are altered when referring to little boys or girls. For example, the name Pedro (Peter in English) can be altered to mean "Little Peter" in a number of ways, such as "Pedrito", "Pedrete", Pedrillo, Pedruco, etc. It is therefore possible that the name Benedicto would have been altered to "Benedictuco" to refer to "Little Benedicto", which ended being "Tuco" for abbreviation.

Now, being Spanish, that would make complete sense to me!!!!!  However, there is only one small region in Spain (Cantabria) where "uco" and "uca" are being used for that purpose (no idea about Mexico). And, coincidentally, it was in Laredo (Cantabria) where Leone filmed "The Colossus of Rhodes".  Does someone see a connection here? 8)

I definitely do! After your clear explanation we could assume that Leone, while shooting  "The Colossus of Rhodes" in Cantabria, met a spanish guy named Tuco (somebody in the crew, or working in the hotel the movie crew was occupying, etc.) and years later, when he started writing GBU, he decided to use this name for "The ugly" character. It wolud make perfect sense to me.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: GBU Question about Angel Eyes' name
« on: January 27, 2011, 09:42:42 AM »
I am italian and I well remember that the sense of the sentence  is the same in the italian version.
Of course he says Sentenza instead of Angel Eyes.
Even in the italian version we don't know the real name of The Bad, Sentenza is a nickname like Angel Eyes is, so I can  say that the effect of this sentence can be exactly the same in both versions.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Mortimer and Indio
« on: May 27, 2009, 03:49:41 AM »
Why do you use the term "nightmare"? Indio clearly enjoys the memory. That's why he smokes the weed; it helps him remember.

Do you think so? Why should he force himself to remember such a tragic episode?
I have also seen it in an opposite way. That scene returns to his mind against his will, always the same scene and only that one...that's why I believe that Mortimer's sister was somebody very important to him. And that Indio wasn't just a fierce serial killer and raper, at least before that episode.
And the weed is just something he uses to ease his pain and remorse.
Of course I can be wrong...

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Mortimer and Indio
« on: May 27, 2009, 03:23:41 AM »
No, never read that one. Honestly, I was thinking of Emily Brontë's Wuthering Heights, and a couple of telenovelas. But as I said, it's just huge pile of rehashed clichés, elements of once interesting and challenging ''young romance went wrong'' love plots, on which basically every love story/movie strives nowadays.

However, I agree with you, for some reason Colonel Mortimer's sister is very important to Indio. We can't know for sure why is so, it's not explained in the movie, but we can always speculate. And have some fun in the process.

What is more interesting to me is Colonel Mortimer and his revenge quest, and what preceded it. OK, he's there to avenge his sister, but what's behind, was his career in the army clean? And things like that.

Maybe I'll write it one of these days... but not today, it's too damn hot. See you after the commercials.

You are right, mine is just one of uncountable examples we can do, literature and cinema are full of that kind of stuff.
Definitely it's fun to speculate on it but I'm not so good in the matter, so I am looking forward to your "Colonel Mortimer Story": I have a great consideration of him, so please don't destroy my hero...

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Mortimer and Indio
« on: May 26, 2009, 06:41:17 AM »
Indio, a poor half-Mexican half-Indian kid is working as a stable boy on a estate somewhere in North or West Carolina. The proprietor, a rich Northern businessman named Mortimer, thinks of himself as a good Christian, and lets the poor boy live with him and his family, but is in fact a bigot just like everybody else. While the boy is permitted to stay on the property during the night, he isn't allowed to eat at the same table or live under the same roof with Mortimer's family: his beautiful (and much younger) wife, his daughter (that is the same age as Indio), and his son (that is just about to leave them in order to join the army, to make his father proud and happy). Indio, grateful that he has somewhere to live and work in first place, doesn't pay much attention to all that at first, but, as time passes he slowly befriends Mortimer's daughter. The possession is remote and there aren't many things to do for young people. The kids ride horses together and soon find themselves in love. The furious Mortimer arranges to put Indio in jail, under false accuse. Indio spends a couple of years in jail, doing everything in his power to stay clean, hoping one day he can return to the property, hoping everything is just a mistake, hoping Mortimer wouldn't play him out like that... After serving his time he attempts to return to W/N Carolina but only to find out that Mortimer's daughter changed; under her father's influence she turned into a bigot just like him, and she's waiting to get married with this good town boy, from a decent family. Unfortunately, the old Mortimer and his wife died during the time Indio was in jail, so there is no way for Indio, now a man, to reverse what happened, and maybe win Mortimer's daughter back. Maddened, he turns to violence and crime, culminating the night when the women he loves kills herself just so he can't have her. Nor her body, nor her mind. Indio, disappointed in love and life in general flees down South, slowly becoming addicted to Locoweed (rolled into corn husk), that helps him alleviate the pain, and engaging in a strange, amor platonicus-like and very complex relationship with Nino, a half-Guinean half-Colombian opium smuggler, and his notorious band.

Did you read The house of the spirits by Isabel Allende? Something quite similar happens in it between the daughter of the rich landowner and the kid son of his farmer. Beyond the ironic cliche of that hypothetical plot, I guess that the girl could really represent somebody who was important in Indio's life, considering he still recalls the episode in such an obsessive way after years,  in those hallucinated nightmares.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Mortimer and Indio
« on: May 22, 2009, 02:41:02 AM »
I think the main point of confusion here is that you have always thought that Indio was married to Mortimer's sister. This was not the case. She was actually with (we do not know if they were married or just courting) the other bloke in the scene. Indio barged in and shot the bloke before raping Mortimer's sister. If memory serves correctly the pocket watch was a gift from the bloke to his girlfriend / wife and Indio made off with it I guess.

I agree with you Dirty rat: just before Indio enters in the bedroom we can see the guy giving a present to Mortimer's sister, just like a fiancee or husband does. I don't remember if it was the pocket watch or something else. But my guess is that brother and sister owned two identical pocket watches since their youth, maybe a present from their parents.
Indio and Mortimer don't know each other, in fact when they meet in the Taberna in Aguacaliente Indio asks Mortimer who was he, it is evident it's the first time he sees him in his life.
The question to me is quite simple: Indio raped the girl and stole her pocket watch. Maybe he was in love with her, but most of all he felt guilty for his rape and her suicide.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and Blondie's Scam
« on: April 30, 2009, 12:45:08 AM »
But "knowing of" one another is very different from "knowing" one another. They can be familiar with one anothers'  professional reputations without ever having met.

That's exactly what I meant,  "OF" remained in my keyboard.
I try to summarize my position:
- The G. the B. and the U. know of one another, this must be part of their professional "know-how" and is proved by Blondie's
   line ''How much are you worth now?'' and the dialogue between AE and the lady during one of Tuco's hangings.
- There is no evidence they also know one another
- Tuco and Blondie didn't work together before the first hanging we see in the movie, at least I don't see any proof of that

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and Blondie's Scam
« on: April 29, 2009, 02:59:03 AM »
I have to disagree with you il brutto.
I always thought the line "How much are you worth now?" means 'how much are you worth now that these 3 have been added to your list'.
I'm sure that they didn't know eachother previously because of the way in which Tuco thanks Blondie. He clearly treats him like a stranger

Yours it's another option, but I wouldn't be so sure Tuco doesn't know Blondie. Tuco to me is wondering if Blondie has the intention to kill him or not, he's scared and I don't have the impression he's treating him like a stranger.
In any case, Blondie's line proves that at least he knows who Tuco is, he knows Tuco is an outlaw with a reward on his head.
I remain with my opinion, Tuco Blondie and Sentenza are professional outlaws who operate in the same area, they do have to know one another, it is part of the tricks of their trade. A prove of this could be the scene when Sentenza is present to one of Tuco's hangings: he talks to a lady and seems to know what it's about to happen: Blondie will shot the rope and save his partner.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Tuco and Blondie's Scam
« on: April 28, 2009, 01:26:21 AM »
Hi everybody, it appears quite obvious that Tuco and Blondie  already knew each other  from the line:

Blondie: ''How much are you worth now?''

But this doesn't prove they did the "hanging trick" in the past, before we see it in the movie I mean.
Only sensations or hypotesis, but to me nothing proves they had a previous partnership, so I don't feel saying they had worked already together in that way.
I can only say that after 40 years and uncountable times I have seen this masterpiece, I never had the sensation that the first Tuco's hanging we see in the film could have been any precedent.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: WHAT IF............
« on: December 11, 2008, 02:29:53 AM »
So only Carson new were the gold was, not Stevens or Baker or anyone else...except Tuco?


I dont' think they did, but in any case the three of them were all dead, so only Tuco knew the place. Blondie also knew that the gold was buried in a cemetery, but he didn't know which one.
So the only chance for Angel Eyes was to find the two guys

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: 70 miles?
« on: November 17, 2008, 02:01:30 AM »
I guess Blondie is not referring to the town they just left, he knows Tuco is not so stupid to go back to the town where he would be surely hang (and without his help this time).
In fact,  after Blondie leaves him in the desert , Tuco arrives to a town that is not the same they left.
In conclusion, I think they covered less than 70 miles.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: The inside of Mesa Verde Station
« on: October 13, 2008, 12:36:30 PM »
I found in this site some indication about the building: they are in spanish, I try to translate. It's about at half page.


La edificación  forma parte del conjunto del Teatro Cervantes. Sus salones han sido sede de actividades culturales y literarias, exposiciones y clásicos bailes de carnaval y fin de año. Tiene una decoración interior de 1920.

The building is a part and connected to Cervantes Theatre. Its halls has been used for cultural and literary activities, exhibitions and classical balls during carnival and New Year parties. It has decorations inside,  made in 1920.

Almost at the bottom of the page there are also indication about the station.

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