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General Discussion / Re: Man With No Name Comic Books
« on: January 23, 2023, 11:06:44 AM »
Yeah I recently checked it out. I love the writer but it's wasn't so much of my liking, specially the coloring, I don't think they translate the whole Western esthetic very well, it ends up looking a bit dull and too Brown/yellow

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General Discussion / Changes in dialogue from Spanish dubbing
« on: January 16, 2023, 12:03:49 PM »
I know they might've done changes here and there for all the dubbed versions of the films out there, and maybe you've heard of this before, but there are many changes made to the dialogue in the Spanish version of the Dollars trilogy, and some I find particularly interesting.
For example, in the final scene of GBU:

Tuco notices the rope
Tuco: You're joking, right, Blondie? You want to play a joke on me.
Blondie: It's a noose, not a joke. Come on, put it around your neck, Tuco.

Blondie grabs the bags of gold
Blondie: Just like old times. Half for you and half for me.
Tuco: Blondie!
Blondie: Sorry.
Tuco: Come back here!

And for the rest of the scene instead of yelling "Blondie" he yells "Come back". The majority of this is done to fit the language and the lip movements of the speaker, of course. But one thing I noticed is they like to add mentions of characters' names, I don't think it works so well, especially with Clint, makes him sound a little more educated than he really is. An example from FAFDM:

Manco hands over his belt to Mortimer
Manco: Colonel, try with this.
Looks at Indio
Manco: Indio, you already know the game.

Links to the dubbed scenes I'm talking about:
https://youtu.be/VRHoOboX0s4
https://youtu.be/vRJ9ZTuGPvQ

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General Discussion / Re: Box office of Leone
« on: January 16, 2023, 11:29:50 AM »
I believe that the premier was in Rome in December 1966. English language version was likely lower priority.


It was at the Valley Art Theater in Tempe, Arizona between February and April 1985 (because I remember who I saw it with).  Years later, with Mrs. Cusser I also saw the extended GBU at same theater as part of United Artists 90th Anniversary celebration (had to take the afternoon off work for that).  That theater would show classic films like Casablanca, Adventures of Robin Hood....

Mrs. Cusser was also blessed with seeing Once Upon a Time in America at a theater in the 1980s; this was at Scottsdale Center for the Arts which used to have a program of "cult films" which even included Once Upon a Time in the West; she still remembers three old ladies who came to see "Hank Fonda" ("if Hank Fonda is in it, it's bound to be good"), but they quickly exited just after Frank's gang sent redhead freckles flying...

With the video tape rental business taking off soon after, theaters like this pretty much died out, with such films occasionally being screened near colleges.  Sometime about 2000-2010 we were in Flagstaff visiting my youngest daughter, and a downtown theater had GBU on its marquee.

LOL! Yeah, It's definitely not part of "Hank's" usual stuff. I doubt they would've enjoyed the rest of the film. Shame about the art theatres. I'll be extremely lucky if I ever find one screening GBU in my country, if it's rare in the US, here in Peru it's nearly impossible.

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General Discussion / Re: Box office of Leone
« on: January 16, 2023, 11:22:29 AM »
The Dollar trilogy came to the USA in 1967, all 3 in that year.
FoD in January, FaFDM in May and GBU in December.
Yess, I meant 1967 instead of 1966. Thanks stanton

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General Discussion / Re: Box office of Leone
« on: January 15, 2023, 01:33:12 PM »
I guess what the DVD granted wasn't "the first time American could access the real OUATIA" but more "easy access for those who aren't actively looking for it or aren't just lucky".
;D true

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General Discussion / Re: Box office of Leone
« on: January 15, 2023, 08:38:45 AM »
Damn. I thought GBU played in 1966 for the US in general. The art theater playing the original OUATIA is something I didn't know about also. I thought all Americans would only find about the real version 20 years later through DVD release (? Heard something like that multiple times.

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I'd absolutely include the short scene with Blondie and Tuco leaving the mission. Besides the road littered with dead bodies, Tuco tells Blondie how far away the cemetery is, and how the journey will take them through several states and crossing enemy lines.

I first saw GBU in 1968 when I was 15, and probably took me a couple of viewings until I really realized the anti-war message...
It's crazy to me how he manages to pull it off so well, combining the story of these three men searching for gold and the stuff to do with the Civil War without it feeling convoluted. I also appreciate the variety of emotions that Leone gives us with the war, I was thinking about what DJ said the other day "the war doesn't only kill, it saves" and I realized how it's not so much of a one note thing.

It makes us laugh when Tuco thinks that the soldiers they're seeing are Confederates but they're from the Union instead, and when they fake carrying a victim of the war to prevent any suspicions of what they're really out to do which is exploding the bridge.

There's also the photo shoot scene with the soldiers when Tuco is getting out from the Union camp alongside Wallace. I mean, it doesn't last very long, but it's not irrelevant either because it has actual dialogue and dubbing in it. The soldiers come out of that thankful and with smiles on their faces. As little as it is, it gives us a positive spin of the war, it's not all death and suffering.

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Very good point. It's almost as if we're talking about two different movies.
Lol. I was Indeed talking about the extended edition guys  ;D

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I always thought Mallory and Juan were the more grounded versions of Blondie and Tuco. You're right about Sergio going from "mythical" to more human and complex, I do have to say I personally prefer his earlier stuff up until OUATITW. I remember jumping from A Fistful of Dollars (saw the Dollars trilogy backwards) to Once Upon a Time in America (did the same for the second trilogy) and it felt astonishing. We went from a world of few characters that dealt with sort of "mythical" situations to a gigantic world full of many, many characters and details that dealt with human situations in an epic scale. Blew my mind at first. Then I saw the other two films, DYS and OUATITW, and I got how Leone went from point A to point B.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Titoli's Mini-Reviews
« on: December 19, 2022, 05:30:46 PM »
Spiderman 3 (2006) Only edge it has on the other two is that there's no n.4 in view. 5\10
Very interesting to see how your opinion changed over this film. I think it has gotten better with time

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Good observation, and thanks Bruce! I've been thinking recently about more reasons this scene works so well, and I came to the conclusion that some of the emotional power has to do with the treatment of the two sides of the war towards each other, the abuse from Wallace and the violence from the Union soldiers couldn't be more dehumanizing and ruthless. The soldier in the front of the train is an ideal example, with "Confederate Spy" written on his chest. Life has seemingly no value in this place and the sole ideas of love and compassion existing here seem almost ludicrous. This is supported by having the people of noble intentions be too weak to do something about it (the commandant is dying from gangrene, and Angel Eyes knows there's no way he's gonna manage to do anything that affects him when he says "I wish you luck". The wife of the guy from the hotel gets sidelined and silenced by Tuco and his goons. The gun salesman can't do anything about Tuco robbing him.)

So when you see acts of cruelty being treated as casually as the execution of a Confederate Soldier who is carrying his own coffin, all happening so quickly that it's almost handled like a fast food service, against the compassionate act of Blondie who's recently seen just how many men were killed the night before, from an attempt of both protagonists to get across the river and precisely save men from being killed, the result is a very emotionally effective moment for the audience!

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: For Love of Art
« on: November 16, 2022, 11:46:41 AM »
Damn, that sounds really cool. I wish I could've seen Clint's poncho and especially the scripts for the Dollars movies.

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It's superb. As I've said before, I hadn't watched any other real Western previously, so when I saw it I did it through the lens of the ''action/adventure'' genre. It delivered on that excellently and provided other layers of storytelling that I haven't seen so many times in these movies. The use of tongue-in-cheek comedy, irony, and exaggeration, (many of the jokes are funny to the audience but not to the characters/the good as a greedy person, the ugly's family situation that makes him feel more human/the extreme close-ups, wide shots, the length of the duel, and the ecstasy of gold scene) the social stuff (war aspect), and the way it plays with your emotions and expectations, always presenting you with reversals that are both surprising & logical to their respective situations (Blondie leaving Tuco hanging and then saving him being the most memorable of these for me).

And the way Leone frames all of the scenes we watch on screen, you get the sense that he's in love with the material and takes care of making every shot look good and evoke an emotion from you. Because he's so exaggerated and sophisticated with the composition, in my case it lands really well. The way he pans through Blondie's rifle once Tuco finds him, for example. He makes it look epic even if it's something we've seen a million times before.

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Other Films / Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
« on: November 13, 2022, 12:22:14 AM »
I remember watching this film before the Dollars trilogy, but I always call GBU the first Western I ever saw because this never felt like a proper Western to me. It felt like a Quentin Tarantino movie trying very hard to bank on and subvert tropes from real Westerns. Like a spiritual sequel to Inglorious Bastards disguised as a Western, in my opinion.

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Yea Good, Bad & Ugly are all relative terms
Exactly. One of the coolest aspects of this film is that it isn't in any way conventional, always finds a way to surprise you.

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