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General Discussion / Re: Decline of the Western
« on: September 26, 2010, 11:40:38 AM »
Have to say that I sympathize with Stanton's view, if it actually is historically correct the better but if not - print the legend  :)

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Angel Eyes reverting to caps&balls
« on: September 11, 2010, 01:16:07 PM »
While my knowledge of guns is quite limited I understand that the cylinder of a Remington 1858  New Model Army (the gun Angel Eyes used) was interchangeable without the necessity to use special tools for this operation so that Angel Eyes could toggle between cartridges and caps&balls as he pleased. In the final shootout when AE's gun is shown close up one can see that he uses the caps&balls cylinder.
The thought I was following here was that AE maybe reverted back to caps&balls as soon as he began traveling with Blondie and his gang because as far as I know the unloading of a properly loaded percussion revolver may not go unnoticed by the owner of that gun so maybe AE took some precautions here...

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Angel Eyes reverting to caps&balls
« on: September 10, 2010, 05:51:55 AM »
Just ocurred to me - did Angel Eyes revert to Caps&Balls in the final phase because he wanted to prevent anyone from secretly unloading his revolver like it happened to poor Tuco?

Any thoughts?

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Heroes who brutalize women...
« on: August 29, 2010, 04:18:25 AM »
Concerning the actions taken by Harmonica against Jill Frayling disusses some explanations which only point towards rape figuratively their primary function being to show the preparition of Jill for her new 'mother' role at the end of the film. Her transformation from top whore to mother is symbolized by transfoming her couture into something more practical to wear in the new environment she has to adapt to.

Moreover he observes correctly that without the white quillings Harmonica removes from Jill's clothing she will be a harder to hit target for Frank's men at the well.
(Spaghetti Westerns: Cowboys and Europeans from Karl May to Sergio Leone (Cinema and Society) / Christopher Frayling Tauris I B, London 2006)

General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: August 13, 2010, 02:58:14 PM »
Atlas in fact. I assume that Atlas is somehow related to Pixi because some of their miniatures resemble those of Pixi quite close but I don't know if that is actually the case.
The miniature of Elliot Belt was published in France only and was a limited piece of course (as is all of Pixi) and I (based in Germany) was lucky to get it. The small town in the background is Pixi with some small additions by DecoToys ("Tunique Bleues") and I always thought to know the Pixi product range until I saw Elliot Belt who is not available as Pixi miniature, the publishing strategy behind this being rather strange (if there is one at all), e.g. Billy the Kid exists as miniature while Jesse James doesn't...

General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: August 12, 2010, 01:11:00 PM »
Good point -  in fact I did but his horse drank it all up  ;D
Glad you like the miniature, it was hard to come by...

General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: August 11, 2010, 02:26:56 PM »
Finally a pic of the metal miniature of Elliot Belt in front of the Saloon ;)

General Discussion / Re: Decline of the Western
« on: August 11, 2010, 08:02:23 AM »
Personally I'm going with Hegel's argumentation that every art form is linked to specific times because people tend to 'make use' of art to explain 'the world' they experience and make sense of it. The western's ability to explain vanished with the frontier.
The frontier is brought back however, but now the Apaches or Kiowa are called Klingons or whatever alien culture you find to replace them, the forts have become space stations and wagon treks are now space ship treks. Now you've got your undiscovered country back with unkown mysteries and unkown things behind the next star system which used to be the next desert or valley or town while the western was still alive. Mr. Roddenberry, asked to explain what concept of a series he had to claim the money for he said "it's a wagon trek to the stars - I call it Star Trek". The SF / Fantasy Genre has replaced the western function for delivering a model to explain 'world'. Everytime you look at 'Batman' in futuristic gear you're essentially looking at Zorro, horse replaced by some machinery and the man pimped up with new gadgets but the similarities are not to be overlooked: rich men, independent, black clothing, a cave as secret base, no superpowers but hard training, double indentity because they have something to hide, personal servant who knows the secrets etc.
With the arrival of progress, industrial work, capitalism and the need to work in exchange of money which has no value by itself (you can not use it to build anything by itself, eat it etc.) but has value only in exchange with other money (money=simulacrum, a sign with no reference to anything but itself) the old hero of the west is facing a dilemma: because he is separated from the goods he needs to survive (food, shelter, clothing) he either has to work to get the money to buy them or he has 'something to do with death'. So as Baudrillard ("Symbolic Exchange and Death") would expect it Harmonica leaves the scene the instant the train arrives.
The western has ended.

If a work of fiction outlasts its review because it  is immune against 'communicative wear' then the suspicion is aroused that it is art.

That's why we can discuss GBU without putting an end to the mystery.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: The poncho
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:22:57 AM »
Dear Cigar Joe, many thanks for providing the picture! This sketch was done pre-production?

@ Titoli: It sounds exaggerated to have so many costumes made, you're right, so I looked it up again. The documentary I'm refering to is a included in the special features of the '3:10 to Yuma' DVD with Russell Crowe and Christian Bale and part of the 'making of'. The costumes designer who is interviewed states that her company provided 80% of the costumes needed and says literally: "We have made well over 500 pieces at least. Could be over 700 or over 1.000." She further adds:"Because every single costume that is on camera is multiplied multiple times for all the stunt work". If the extras are included in this count, then of course  there are less costumes per main character available and in that case I've misunderstood what she tried to say. But if this effort has been done for the principal characters only this would yield to rather a lot of identical costumes per character and that was what I wanted to say - it puts this production in a strong contrast to GBU even if there weren't so much as 20 costumes per character made.  Quantity is not a substitute for quality and that is the point I wanted to make. Is this alright with you?

Maybe Mortimer or the appearances as Ryan or Corbett were a more demanding acting task in comparison to AE who is the more one-dimensional character, but my vote still goes to Angel Eyes - he simply is intimidating like no villain I've ever seen on the silver screen and he doesn't need to say a word to accomplish that.
LVC rocks for sure.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: The poncho
« on: January 29, 2010, 05:07:07 AM »
If that poncho wasn't just picked up off a shelf but "deliberately woven to those particular design specifications" Cigar Joe mentions this would be an impressing discovery. Refering to the bonus material of the GBU Gold Edition I always believed that the clothing was made up from scratch, i.e. Clint buying a nowadays Jeans somewhere (did they exist in that fashion, I mean probably equipped with a zipper in these days? - and, moreover would someone spending so much time in the saddle wear a jeans with the seams on the inside of the leg as they are commonly made today? -  I wouldn't), having only one hat that must not get lost and the sheepskin west I so far undestood was Clint's own, boots, revolver and pistol belt the same as in 'Rawhide'.
I always liked the thought that they were short on anything like that clothing while filming because it makes the result even more impressing. I've seen a documentary about the making of '3:10 to Yuma' and they spoke of hundreds of identical costumes for every charakter but that didn't yield to a better film...

@ Cigar Joe: would it be possible to show a picture of that sketch? The sketching was done before the actual poncho was bought?

Incredible. Especially the last scence give me the chills. Thank you very much for this work.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re: The poncho
« on: January 28, 2010, 02:06:46 AM »
Well, I've read somewhere that Leone wanted the Poncho for Clint to make him appear 'bigger' at his shoulders on screen but my first impression of the poncho when I first saw it in GBU was that it is used like a costume. Since I'm based in Germany I never had the chance to see Clint in 'Rawhide'. GBU was the first film of the 'Dollar Trilogy' I saw and I remember that I wondered if wearing a poncho like that in a sun beaten desert would tend to be rather uncomfortable so the man wearing it has to be really cool. In that respect I think Titoli is right pointing out that everything Leone is concerned with is style (Frayling has a lot to say on this subject in his SW book). The costume-like use of the poncho bears a strong resemblance to the Commedia dell'arte where every stereotyped figure is clad in a way to make it recognizable for the audience and we knew that Leone deliberately refered to that.
Titoli's observation regarding the actual use of the poncho to make the Man with no Name a wanderer between worlds is a thought that I share. While Tuco doesn't seem to spend to much thinking on what he wears as long as his revolver is in good shape AE and Blondie imho seem to do. Interestingly most people who've seen the picture once  when asked to remember what AE actually wore they speak of rather dark clothing, even black as fits a villain but he doesn't. His vaquero style hat, high boots, grey jacket and grimed white bandana are stylish too but he's not clad totally black to drive the point home that he is the bad and that is a good thing because otherwise he would have been stereotyped to much.
The only costume standing out is the poncho which kind of singles out the Man with no Name and that was the way I saw it watching GBU for the first time in my childhood.

General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: January 26, 2010, 11:57:17 AM »
Well, to be honest I was afraid that they would do after Morris' depature so I never looked into one of the issures published after his death, the last one sketched by him (#76, 'La L├ęgende de l'Ouest') was the last one I read.

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