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Duck, You Sucker / Irish Locations
« on: July 26, 2009, 05:00:02 PM »
I haven't been here in a long time but thought I'd let you know that the link for the slideshow of the Irish locations for DYS/FOD is now as follows:

Just to recap that the outdoor scenes were filmed in Howth Castle Demesne near Dublin and Toner's Pub was used for the indoor scenes.

General Discussion / Hurricane Sergio approaches Mexico
« on: November 15, 2006, 11:03:42 AM »
Nice to see our hero being recognised at last.

Juan and Sean - hold on to your hats  ;)

Duck, You Sucker / David Warbeck as James Bond 007?
« on: November 09, 2006, 06:21:54 PM »

Interesting that his name appears to have been in the hat.

General Discussion / Morricone Radio City, NYC is go
« on: October 13, 2006, 07:05:30 AM »
This concert on 3rd Feb 2007 is now on Radio City website.

Duck, You Sucker / DYS Double CD on the way
« on: September 22, 2006, 10:00:23 AM »
According to a thread at FilmScore Monthly:

Looks like it will get a great welcome. :)

General Discussion / Member Categories
« on: September 18, 2006, 06:37:51 AM »
I just happened to notice that I've suddenly been changed from being a "Newbie" to a "Jr. Member" which I assume is Junior Member.
At my age I think I like that - makes me feel like I'm 13 again ;D

Other Films / The Comancheros (1961)
« on: August 26, 2006, 11:06:07 AM »
Hadn't watched this in a while so I stuck it in the DVD player the other evening.
How I have always loved the 20th Century Fox intro music with the "Cinemascope Extension"  :)

The film was as enjoyable as ever and the music is even better than the Mag Seven.

On thing I hadn't noticed before. When the Duke (as Ed McBain) was signing in on the Sweetwater Hotel register one of the names already written in was "William Clothier". The DOP on the movie was the great cinematographer  William H. Clothier - always was a joy to see his name on the opening credits of any movie.

Afterwards I briefly checked the credits again and the Assistant Director's name was also on the hotel register. I wonder if any of the other names on it were a reference to anyone else.

When you consider today's movie credits which can run 10/15 minutes the crews on the older movies must think they got a raw deal.

Lots of memorable lines but my favourite is the Duke calling the Monsoor a "Lu-Lu"  ;D

Duck, You Sucker / Error in Prof. Frayling's commentary
« on: August 04, 2006, 05:21:13 PM »
I started listening to the commentary again on the SE DVD and early on came across an error that I missed first time around because of fast-forwarding.
In commenting on the first flashback (three-in-a-car scene) Prof. Frayling states that location as being in Co. Wicklow and mentions two specific areas, The Sally Gap and Glendalough, both places I know quite well.
Well, they must have "altered all the maps" because that flashback location is Howth Castle, Co. Dublin which is on Howth Peninsula a few miles north of Dublin City whereas the Wicklow locations referred to are about 20-30 miles to the south. (see link to pictures I took recently under the "An Irishmans view" thread - I've added one or two more today -

The second Irish location is, of course, Toner's pub in Central Dublin.
The only location I haven't found yet is the "kissing tree" in the final flashback. Whether or not that is in Co. Wicklow remains to be seen. If it is then it will be like trying to find a needle in a haystack with about 10,000 fields and 200,000 trees to look at. Whilst at Howth Castle I saw in the grounds in the distance a tree in a field which COULD well be it but as it was in what appeared to be an "out-of-bounds" area I couldn't get close and nobody around to ask permission.

I'll pay a second visit again soon  - "one was NOT enough for me" - and will post pics if found.

Duck, You Sucker / An Irishmans view
« on: July 28, 2006, 02:16:57 PM »
Firstly, this is a wonderful site for anyone, like me, who is passionate about SL. I've been a fan since way back when FISTFUL first appeared on our cinema screens. I've seen all the movies hundreds of times at the cinema, on video, on TV and DVD and never get tired of watching. It is, however, GIU LA TESTA that I wish to make some comments on in the first instance.
I have read most of the comments re Mallory's name and, being Irish, I can say with absolute certainty that his real name is the Gaelic name Sean.

Now, there should be a little slanted line over the "a" which is called a fada. This signifies that the "a" is long and that the name is pronounced "Shawn" rather than "Shon". When first asked his name by Juan, Mallory says "Sean" but, when he realises that Juan won't understand that name he changes it to the more-better-known and anglicised version of Sean which is John. This also sets up for the movie's sake the "destiny" of John and Juan, or Johnny and Johnny.

In relation to the name John H. Mallory in the United Irishman I believe this to be a serious error in the movie. No Republican newspaper would have printed a "wanted" ad in respect of one of their members. That piece of journalism would have appeared in one of the "ordinary" pro-British papers and they would have used John instead of Sean.
I have seen the comments that the Sean, Sean, Sean in the music is possibly referring to three Seans and that Warbeck is the third one but I don't personally believe that. There are many points in the movie where only Sean Sean is sung and during the later "killing" flashback scenes only one Sean is sung almost in a "distressful" fashion. David Warbeck's name in the movie is irrelevant. We don't even know whether he is Sean's friend or his brother or even a cousin. In my opinion the Sean, Sean, Sean is Mallory's theme alone. I would go a step further and suggest that the Sean, Sean, Sean represents the voice of the Irish girl that Mallory was in love with calling to him and, during the flashbacks in which Warbeck was killed, even chiding him or remonstrating with him for what he did. In the Ireland of yesteryear but not so much today the multiple use of words was very common in bad times. Let me give you a simple example of a husband arriving home yet again in a drunken state. His long-suffering wife would be heard to say, "Oh, Sean, Sean, Sean, what am I to do with you at all, at all".
I also disagree with one particular item in Prof. Frayling's commentary when he says that, in the final long flashback, Sean is happy to see the girl kissing Warbeck. In my opinion it is the fact that he is NOT happy with this which is a major point in the movie and is one of the reasons why he has a double reason for shooting him and ultimately goes to Mexico totally disillusioned with both revolution and love and now only "believing in dynamite".
Life for him is over. That flashback appears to happen on the same day out as the very first one we see but Leone splits the sequence into two parts so he can fool us and then surprise us with the true solution at the very end - the point of dying.
In the first part we are left in no doubt that Sean and the girl are the lovers. Warbeck, friend/brother/cousin though he is, is the odd one out.
In the second part it begins the same way as they run across the fields and Sean gets to kiss her again at the tree while Warbeck looks on. But then things change suddenly. Warbeck moves ever closer and he is, in effect, signalling to the girl "What about me?". Sean sees the girl looking past and behind him and turns around with a puzzled look on his face to see Warbeck looking at her. He turns back to kiss her again but as he does she almost
brushes him aside as she flings her arms around Warbeck (To emphasise this the straw hat is brought into close up as her right arm embraces him). The next shot of Sean is of him smiling broadly but suddenly the smile begins to fade as he for the first time realises that the kiss between the other two is passionate and that his girl and his friend/brother/cousin have been cheating on him all the while. As the shot slowly goes out of focus you can
see his lips forming the words "Oh, fxxk". In the flashback in the pub Warbeck has the choice of nodding or shaking his head when asked "Is that him?" by the British soldier. He goes for a yes and Sean realises that he is about to be not only betrayed, captured and probably executed but that Warbeck will "save himself" AND get the girl forever for himself. He then "judges once in his life" and is left to bear the consequences.
BTW, I love Coburn's Irish accent.
Sorry to go on a bit for a first post :-)

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