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The Split, watched it the other day it was OK, nothing special, don't have to watch it again.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: West legends in Mount Rushmore?
« on: November 24, 2022, 04:33:32 PM »
The sequence shot is   : 1 Harmonica  loks up at th sky. His  hat move stops at the moment when  the upper edge of the hat is  just parallel with the right ridge of the mountain
 2 the camera stats moving upright and at a certain point we can see only th edge of the hat and the ridge of the mountain
3 . The camera  continues to mount and rotate and we only can see the mountain
4. It continues and we can see the train arriving to  Clearwater station.
Another disturbing detail : on the peak of the mountain there is like a notch and the front tip of the hat is damaged by a hole that also makes a notch!!!!
 I took a pict  but idk how to post it here, too bad!

Post the pic to imgur then copy that url and put it between img /img - but with [ ] [ ] around the img & /img

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: November 22, 2022, 10:45:29 AM »
It's great though. And it's a neo-noir (in case somebody else is reading).

I'll check it out

I can't say because, of course, I haven't watched the others, or at least the great part of them. This is the 5th movie based on the Parker character created by Donald Westlake and although the first 2 had Marvin and Duvall playing the lead  (the third one had Jim Brown!; the fourth I have yet to watch) this is the first one which renders justice to the spirit of the series. And Statham, though he may lack the screen presence of the first two, it fits perfectly in the no-frills approach the director and the the script writers have adopted toward the story. The movie is good from the very first shot to the last one; I had feared that JLo might be a minus and instead she adds to the final result (I have read all the series of 27 novels 3-4 years ago, but I can't seem to remember her character: if it was created from the screenplayer kudos to him). The criticisms I could levy toward the movie are very few but they are minor ones and all of them are anyway debatable. So this is 10/10. Visually I don't think this can be considered a neonoir or whatever you may want to call it, but as the story is, of course, noir as can be, I'll be waiting for Judge Cigar to settle the matter.   

Made in U.S.A. (based on The Jugger) - Never seen it

Point Blank (based on The Hunter) - Its Ok not a fav -

Mise ? Sac [?Pillaged?] (based on The Score) - Never seen it

The Split (based on The Seventh)  - Never seen it

The Outfit (based on The Outfit) - Seen it and didn't like it.

Slayground (based on Slayground) - Never seen it

Payback (based on The Hunter) - this one was the most Noir-ish for me. The film is not without controversy "although credited as director, Brian Helgeland's cut of the film was not the theatrical version released to audiences. After the end of principal photography, Helgeland's version was deemed too dark for the mainstream public. Following a script rewrite by Terry Hayes, director Helgeland was replaced by the production designer John Myhre, who reshot 30% of the film. The intent was to make the Porter character accessible. The film's tagline became: "Get Ready to Root for the Bad Guy." A potentially controversial scene which arguably involves spousal abuse was excised and more plot elements were added to the third act. After 10 days of re-shoots, a new opening scene and voiceover track also were added, and Kris Kristofferson walked on as a new villain." (Wikipedia)

I've seen both versions. The best film version in my opinion would be roughly, the theatrical release with the narration and blue tint up to the killing of Carter (exorcising most of the Lucy Liu/Tong revenge angle) then go with the director's cut (but keeping the blue tint) to the ambiguous end. I'd keep the beating also.

Parker (based on Flashfire) - Never seen it

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Film-Noir Discussion/DVD Review Thread
« on: November 22, 2022, 03:55:41 AM »
Haven't seen this neo-noir, but it sounds like my kind of film:

Another visually uninteresting flick. If I remember right most of it takes place in a house, lol.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: November 22, 2022, 03:52:50 AM »
According to Glenn Erickson*, the Paul Newman film Twilight works as an unofficial final Harper film, with Paul Newman playing a PI with a different name. I've never seen it, but it is coming to blu-ray soon from KL. Reviews of the disc are starting to come in:

*Maybe Eddie Muller

I found it visually uninteresting and boring.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Film-Noir Discussion/DVD Review Thread
« on: November 20, 2022, 04:01:16 AM »

They need an editor:

"It?s another story about a cuckolded husband who overreacts to his wife?s infidelity. We?ll give little away but it?s no surprise that he kills her ? it happens just a few seconds into the story.

The story feels a bit like an inverted Taxi Driver: instead of an obsessed taxi driver in a violent relationship with a corrupt city, an obsessed individual ends up in a violent confrontation with the ?taxi community? of Paris.

The opening is traumatic: a woman (Fran?oise Brion) is shoved from a fast-moving train by her lover, Pierre Verdier (Jacques Berthier). She was the wife of Ancelin (star Lino Ventura), a manager at a trucking firm. "

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: West legends in Mount Rushmore?
« on: November 18, 2022, 03:39:16 AM »
At the end of the movie, just after Cheyenne dies, Harmonica rises her head and look at the sky. The camera moves up and before  focusing on the train arrival  you can notice that Harmonicas hat perfectly overlaps with the mountain just behind. I think that Harmonicas specific head move is not an accident. I m sure that Leone asked Bronson to rise his head to that precise position because of the mountain (such a move is not at all natural). I guess that Leone want us to know that West legends died but didnt disappear at all. They stay in the landscape of the west like easter island statues (moais). They are legends of the west forverer carved in the stone  like in Mount Rushmore. Maybe Leone thought that west legends deserved that  like great US presidents.

Interesting thought. thanks

Sentenza gave a bottle to a confederate soldier.Of course it was a way to get infos about Carson location more easily,
but when the soldier gave him back the bottle, he refused it and let him keep it. You can also see that seeing the horror
of war does something to him.

Yea Good, Bad & Ugly are all relative terms

General Discussion / Re: Lip Readers / Eye Readers
« on: November 03, 2022, 11:29:29 AM »
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and I read this just the other day, felt it was a very interesting thought so decided to join and share some thoughts about the comment.

This is a fascinating analysis of why Sergio Leone's westerns had as much impact as they did, Cigar Joe. I saw a video on YouTube by a channel called ''Script Sleuth'' that detailed how the character orchestration of The Good, The Bad & The Ugly had a lot to do with the quality of the story. All characters act and speak differently, and they're so well put together that you can imagine how they would react in various circumstances. I'd also say the way Leone styles them visually helps make them more memorable. Harmonica's harmonica ( ??? ) and Blondie's cigar/poncho make them unforgettable in the same way that cartoon characters are made unforgettable by the specific features of their design and silhouette. But what's amazing is that Leone finds a place in the story for these visual elements, both the pocket watch and harmonica transcend their status as simple props and become part of the plot's emotional payoff.

Agree, we also have Firecracker and Juan from Duck You Sucker.

Corbucci also had some great characters in his Westerns. Franco Nero as Sergei Kowalski in The Mercenary and Yodlaf 'The Swede' Peterson and Milians El Vasco in Companeros are memorable, Silence (Trintignant) and from The Great Silence too. And again Franco Nero as Keoma.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: The Prison Break
« on: October 31, 2022, 04:14:08 PM »

The title of this thread is STILL wrong.


Off-Topic Discussion / Re: I, the Jury (1953)
« on: October 27, 2022, 04:59:06 PM »
Story: 6/10. Photography: 10/10 Transfer 11/10.

Lots of great extras, too, including a couple of commentaries, an appreciation of the 3-D (very helpful for 2-D viewers) and some TV shows that might or might not be related (loved the one with Peggie Castle). Maybe the best extra is a pilot for a Mike Hammer TV show that never aired, written and directed by Blake Edwards, starring Brian Keith. Unlike the later series with Daren McGavin, this show was truer to Spillane's vision, with a Mike Hammer who actually kills people. It would have made a great series, but it was, you know, ahead of its time. Edwards rebounded from this failure and came up with Peter Gunn, so things worked out well for him. Brian Keith finally landed on (ahem) Family Affair.

Anyway, there are two kinds of people: those with this release in hand, and those who don't give a rat's ass about film noir.

I'll get it eventually, lol.

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