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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Favourite Scenes
« on: November 13, 2003, 03:19:13 PM »
Yep when Frank dies it is pure Fonda magic,what a way to go huh<br>
I liked the bit where he tries to holster his gun, and misses.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Harmonica's Tearing of Jill's Lace Bodice
« on: November 13, 2003, 03:15:49 PM »
Yeah, I'll go along with that mate.

A Fistful of Dollars / Realism: Is it Important?
« on: November 06, 2003, 11:06:11 AM »
I enjoy greatly the intelligent conversation concerning the mind of Leone and the hidden meanings in his movies.
The amount of criticism based on the realism in his films though causes me concern. If we are talking unrealistic then we could go on all night, and encompass most of Leone's movies. If you remember the scene in FAFDM of Eastwood shooting the Colonel’s hat into the air and the amazing ricochet of the bullets hitting…..material?
That was also highly questionable but visually effective.
Then in FOD the scene of the soldiers "sleeping" in the cemetery and who strangely remained asleep throughout the ensuing gun battle. The fact that Ramone went to the trouble of sneaking up, and shooting them in the back, whilst supposedly believing that they were alive, was very unrealistic.

When you take into account that in the West at its peak, a revolver cost the then princely sum of $100 second-hand, and only the very rich, or the very bad, could afford one. The revolver was accurate to a range of 15 yards, not guaranteed to hit a barn door any further than that. The rifle in its early stages was not much better and even more expensive and rare. So this makes nonsense of most of the shooting accomplishments of the western stars in the most famous movies.

The real Annie Oakley was as ugly as a horse, or worse some say, but most western women are portrayed as beauties in the movies, again unreal but who cares.
In fact Annie was so unattractive and desperate she had to rape men at gunpoint to get laid, and did so frequently. When you imagine the probable lack of hygiene at the time, along with the heat and the lack of sanitary wares modern women take for granted, the stench must have been overpowering.

I think to dissect these movies causes us to lose what we liked about them in the first place, the escape from reality and the roles we all wished we could play, but in the safety of our minds. Sergio Leone takes us on a journey of escapism in his movies, they are mythical and about as real as King Arthur, albeit historically and factual correct in some cases.

The clothes, surroundings and the weaponry are in most cases accurate, but the deeds that were done by the individuals wearing those clothes, then take on a surrealist quality. I am all for enjoying them as a spectacle, and to watch in awe as Leone goes about his craft, but aside from that I try not to read too much into things.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Does Joe have a love intrest in the girl
« on: November 06, 2003, 10:22:53 AM »
I agree that Joe see's Marisol as his mother and the Little Jesus as himself.
Of course the names also remind us of the bible, and Mary and the baby Jesus, in which case who does Joe relate himself to?

Trivia Games / Re:A trivia question
« on: November 06, 2003, 10:12:13 AM »
I bow to your superior knowledge, my mistake and you are correct.

Trivia Games / The Train Now Standing
« on: November 06, 2003, 09:57:58 AM »
A quick trivia question for you.
What is the number on the front of the train Jill arrives on?

Trivia Games / Re:A trivia question
« on: November 06, 2003, 06:34:02 AM »
In the graveyard scene in TGTBATU one of the graves has Sam Pekinpah's name on it.

Trivia Games / Re:Fonda - Van Cleef
« on: November 06, 2003, 06:27:25 AM »
Was it How The West Was Won?
Van Cleef played an uncredited river pirate in the movie and Fonda played Jethro Stuart a railroad guy.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Jack Elam Dies
« on: November 05, 2003, 06:01:47 PM »
I just found out that Al Mulock, who played one of the three gunmen in the opening sequence, committed suicide on the set.
I knew it was his last film but not that it was that final.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: Fat Moe
« on: November 05, 2003, 05:54:54 PM »
The first obvious thing that hit me about Fat Moe and Noodles was when he called on Moe for the first time in years.
There was no hug, after all those years he refused the guy a hug.
You can see Moe go for the hug but gets balked by Noodles, but the reason for his coldness is never really explained.
Why do you think?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:James Wood's nose
« on: November 05, 2003, 05:51:30 PM »
Talking about his nose, what about his teeth?
James Woods said De Niro suggested that Woods wear a set of perfect, bright white teeth to demonstrate the aging character's wealth and vanity. The producers balked at the cost, so De Niro paid for them himself.

Once Upon A Time In America / De Niro/Noodles Trivia
« on: November 05, 2003, 05:49:27 PM »
I came across this trivia and thought it interesting.
When Noodles (Robert De Niro) is watching TV, there's an interview with a character called James Conway O'Donnell.
In Goodfellas (1990) De Niro's character was called James Conway.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Favourite Scenes
« on: November 05, 2003, 05:37:11 PM »
My favourite OUATITW scenes are:
(1) The scene where the ginger haired Timmy runs out to find Frank and the boys heading his way. Cue the music and boy what music.
(2) Frank’s almost touching grin as he pulls the trigger and shoots Timmy.
(3) The station scene where Cardinale realises she is not being met and decides to head for Sweetwater, that fantastic pan shot over the station, later copied by Spielberg in Jaws.
(4) Those fabulous lines of “looks like we’re shy of a horse” and Bronson replies “you bought two too many”.

Some questions for you.
Why were the McBain family so ugly?
Why did Frank not shoot Morton at the puddle, did he go soft?
Why the time difference between the station clock and Jill’s watch?

General Discussion / The Arena
« on: November 05, 2003, 05:07:28 PM »
I noticed a few comparisons when watching the ends of both Fistful of Dollars and a Few Dollars More.
Aside from the obvious one of the final shoot out bring between Eastwood and Gian Maria Volonté, the finale seems to be in an arena.
The circle seems to me to be a Roman influence, and Sergio is as we know a boy from Rome.
I wondered if anyone else has any thoughts on this "gladiatorial" bent in the Dollars movies.
I would also like to compliment the contributors to this board for their intelect and enormous knowledge of their subjects.
This is the most enjoyable group I have been involved with, well done to you all.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:DVD question
« on: November 05, 2003, 04:57:29 PM »
I have the UK version of the DVD and its running time is listed as 1Hr 37Minutes.
The DVD also has the words "Uncut Full Length Feature Version" on the box.
I think some of the more violent scenes are included in this version.
The beating he (Eastwood) gets is more brutal and detailed compared to others I have seen.

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