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Yes I?ve seen that one! Great little talk. It?s a shame many of the clips Edgar choses to show are the ones we?ve all seen too many times. Marty still manages to say something I didn?t know about the ? you?re talking to me ? scene. Yet Edgar being Edgar he is in love with the dark comedy Scorsese from the 80?s and it?s good that they spend some time to discuss all this: this is the best rarely discussed side of Marty.

For certain reasons I only watched half of it 2 years ago, but I did not care much so far, and since then never really tried to see the rest. Yes, there was some good stuff worth a 2nd look, but overall it was not very entertaining.

Scorsese's best film in the last 25 years was The Wolf of Wall Street, but it suffered from being much too long.

I don?t say that often because most of the time it?s stupid but in this case you can consider you?ve seen 5% of the movie. The first hour and a half (a bit less actually, like 1:20) is a prologue. That prologue is actually very powerful and I wouldn?t cut a frame, but you can only feel that way during a second viewing. The second viewing (where you know where this is going) is when every single little detail makes sense and tears you apart. I know the following sentence isn?t gonna convince anyone but there is no other way to put it: then there is 30-40 min where DeNiro has a discussion then takes a flight and comes back and this is the most intense cinema experience of my whole adult life. Then the movie becomes Haneke?s Amour for another hour and it?s almost as good. So even though I doubt you?ll get the intense experience I have every time I watch it if you ever decide to try again but please note that you haven?t seen the movie at all yet. Just the opening montage.

Wolf of Wall Street is a lot of fun but it?s even more of a shame.

Is there an intermission???

No it's the real deal they tie you up to the chair they go full clockwork orange on you.
It's actually supposed to be seen at home in streaming where you can pause when you want.

I wouldn't watch it in IMAX. This isn't Casino this is much quieter, less in your face. It's more of a cinema that watches than a cinema that immerses.

I hesistated and then... I didn't. But once, I saw Skull Island in IMAX 3D.

Well The Irishman turned out to be one of the best movies in the history of cinema (now that time has passed and that i watched it several times I can assert it more confidently). This one is quiter, funnier and feels longer. What Marty takes from his 90's here is his ability to precisely describe complex mechanisms (here: the political/economical/familial/racial systems behind those murders). He had not done so, with such precision, since Casino (I will never forgive him for bailing out of Wolf of Wall Street on that aspect). KofFM also has the best cast of supporting characters in any Scorsese movie. All of the henchmen are incredible, even with the very limited screentime they're given to work with. Thelma is still the best editor the world has ever seen.

So I saw Killers of the Flower Moon and have no idea how to rate it. It's fascinating, often funny (really often), but also slow and quiet for 3h27, which is a lot even for OUATIA fans. At least Marty broke the spell: he is now able to make pre WW2 movies and make them look and feel absolutely terrific.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 18, 2023, 02:42:27 AM »
The Animal Kingdom (Thomas Cailley, 2023) - 8/10
For decades the french have been asking to the return of the mainstream french genre film and for decades we only got turds. Well this is it. That one is great, french, mainstream and it's a genre film. Some great action scenes (not enough!), fun lines, terrific use of practical effects: those are the best looking mutants you've seen in decades. The film isn't deprived of flaws: the camerawork is too often (not always, there are some terrific shots) derived from TV shows and some pointless subplots make the film drag here and there. But it mostly walks the thin line between giving too much mainstream to mainstreal audiences and yet staying a fun-yet-smart ride. It even manages to avoid most of the clich? you espect from this kind of movies as well as stays kinda unconclusive until the closing credits. Bravo Thomas.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 16, 2023, 12:50:48 AM »
The Valley aka Obscured by Clouds (Barbet Schroeder, 1972) - 7/10
One of those new age movies to rank along with Zabriskie Point and the like. It comes with what you expect from those movies, including an original soundtrack by Pink Floyd, sex scenes and drug scenes. It's structured around the classic "travelling upriver to the chore of the jungle so things get crazier and crazier and we ghot closer to our true self until... what?" trope but years before Apocalypse Now (and decades after Heart of Darkness). It's a bit slow for what it is but it features some incredible scenes, some of which are half documentary/half fiction with Papua tribes. Some cool adventure vibes too, mostly the horse scenes. Schroeder ends up criticizing the "easy" and kinda touristy post colonialism of the 70's, so take that, liberals! ... but in its form and in what it does for 100min it's still your regular new age movie at its chore.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Michael Cimino (1939 - 2016)
« on: October 15, 2023, 05:26:55 AM »
From what I understand there are 2 versions of this documentary, one that was released on TV and that Thoret hates, one that was released in theater and now on DVD. You probably saw the "real" theater version. I only saw the TV version and it kinda suck. I own the book and hsould give it a try. Thoret is sometime fascinating to listen and sometimes way too lost in his own obsessions (like how 100% of american movies of the new hollywood, which acording to him include Cimino and Mann, are summed up in the "We blew it" line from Easy Rider, and also that 100% of american movies are haunted by the JFK assassination, and lastly just the fact that he wanted to be a filmmaker of the new hollywood and tends to fetichise those guys even more than their movies) to actually talk about cinema.
Interestingly, he recently mentioned that Eastwood was supposed to be in that doc, maybe not even as a talking head but just as a guy sitting in a chair and looking at the camera. Anyway, Eastwood said yes to be in the movie but they missed each other because of schedule issues.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 11, 2023, 11:20:48 PM »
Le Quattro Volte (Michelangelo Frammartino, 2010) - 9/10

Another incredible work by Frammartino that might please the most difficult and intellectual crowds as much as 6 years old. The famous dog scene with its 7min extended shot is worst at least 11/10. The film is difficult to catch but you can watch any copy you will put your hand on: there is no dialogue.


Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 10, 2023, 12:28:56 AM »
The real stuff behind the attempted humor is that I often wonder whether Clint sees himself more as a successful actor/director or as a failed musician.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: October 09, 2023, 07:08:11 AM »
Honkytonk Man (Eastwood, 1982) - 7.5/10
Second viewing. Despite the obvious and regular flaws, this one strikes a chord. Rarely has Eastwood been so interested in what he was filming. That's especially noticeable in the way the extras are shot (those people exist!) and the not cheap at all way the locations are shown. The fact that the movie takes place during Eastwood's actual childhood probably has a lot to do with that. Also the numerous Inside Llewyn Davis nods are quite funny, I knew Clint would see a lot of himself in Llewyn.

General Discussion / Re: Leone westerns are spanish westerns
« on: October 06, 2023, 04:45:18 AM »
A terrific time. It will now be my own little unexpensive american west for as long as I stay in Europe.

CJ, do you have any idea if big jars with a pointy bottom were used in america in the 19th century? I have trouble finding good pictures but you can see some behind angel eye there:
(that scene, uncluding the interior, was shot in Spain)

They have a pointy bottom so they cannot stand and need to be stored in special furniture (or sometimes in holes made for them in a wall). I'm asking because i saw tons of them in Spain (they aren't in use anymore, but you can see that many households still have them from the grandparents or something).

Also, on thing in Leone's westerns that is either Italian or American but definitely not spanish: stray dogs. In Andalucia, they have stray CATS everywhere.

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