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General Discussion / Re: Leone westerns are spanish westerns
« on: October 06, 2023, 04:24:29 AM »
Not sure you can see what I'm trying to express in the pics I took but here is a batch anyway!

(The link expires in a month)

Tons of regular vacation pics but some of the Leone locations are shown. An interesting point about the place where Jack Beauregard fights the wild bunch: they now removed the train tracks, but it was real train tracks at the time. So Leone shot, on the same segment:
- The wild bunch fight
- Cheyenne on Morton's train
- Tuco laying Mario Brega on the tracks to cut the handcuffs

... but now the train tracks have been removed. There are still real, active train tracks a bit further away that stopped me from seing some of the following stuff, that are only minutes away from that location:
- many portions of OUATITW's Flagstone
- the "looks like we are short of one horse" train station
- Frank discovering the train has been attacked
- some other MNIN stuff

The whole plain is a field used for growing I don't know what (most of the area is used for olives now but only a small part of that particular location features olive trees). Migrant workers are working there, but it's a very hot and windy place. They use a scarf to cover their face from the dust. The wife stayed in the car while I was taking the pics: way too much wind. A bit further away, in the same plane and easily noticeable from the MNIN location: tons of windsmills and solar pannels.

Also interestingly enough it seems like Leone never filmed the place I saw that looks the most like from an american western: the desert of Gorafe. You can see many pics in the previous link, we did a long hike over there. The sand is red, it looks like Arizona, Utah or many places in Mexico. I feel like it would have been the perfect spot for the coach scenes in DYS and other Leone scenes. Yet he often chose places where the sand was whiter (which is also a kind of landscape you can see in the US, including in Texas but it mostly reminds me of new mexico).

General Discussion / Re: Leone westerns are spanish westerns
« on: October 06, 2023, 01:29:11 AM »
They are supposed to be, but then again, I way see more andalucia than southern border. I've been in all 4 states along the mexican border (maybe I only stayed in the northern part of new mexico, I don't remember exactly) and never felt like I was walking in a Leone movie, and I never felt like I was seeing people live in a Leone movie. In Andalucia, I did all the time. It is also possible that Andalucia didn't develop that much (which is a fact, for many reasons, including a train line that was shut down in 1984 and that tons of people were counting on), so it kinda stayed like it was in the 60's (which wasn't THAT different from what it was a centurry before). The area is in a state of disaray with tons of abandonned building. The booming olive oil industry might actually change things (they are planting olive trees everywhere, in a short while shooting western movies over there will be challenging) while the southern border of the US evolved faster.
I have only been in actual mexico for 2 hours so I cannot comment on what happens at the south of the border.

Anyway, all I can say is: not only does Andalucia look like what's pictured many scenes in the dollars trilogy, but it also feels like it.

General Discussion / Re: Leone westerns are spanish westerns
« on: October 05, 2023, 08:47:58 AM »
No that's what I actually felt while I was in the area. Almost every day (just not when I was in the big cities). I'm not the kind of person who thinks nationalities have too much importance anyway, so of course those films are Leone movies first, way before they're italian or spanish or anything else. But people have been writing and discussing about how italian they are for decades. I've spend a lot of time in Italy and while I wouldn't say there is nothing italian in them, I've never been highly convinced about the whole "italian" thing. They are european more than amerian, that's for sure. But now I've been where they've been shot and I see how much the location influenced them, including the way people move in it, including the art direction of the interiors, including a certain way of life (that I haven't seen in Italy, including in the hottest days over there... while it's everywhere in Andalucia in september/october 2023). People over there seem like they're in a Leone movie. The atmosphere in the little villages lost in the desert is exactly what Leone recreated.

General Discussion / Leone westerns are spanish westerns
« on: October 05, 2023, 06:37:23 AM »
So I'm just back from 2 weeks in Andalucia where I saw tons of spots where Leone shot his westerns. I saw places used in DYS (mostly), FAFDM, OUTITW, GBU and also MNIN. Unfortunately I didn't get to see Sad Hill, which is to the north of Madrid (I stayed between Cordoba, Almeria, Granada and Sevilla). I'll share pics and vids later when I get some time. The most striking thing though is the fact Leone's westerns, and especially the dollar trilogy, are spanish westerns way (WAY) more than they are italian ones. Walking around in the cities or the desert in the south of spain felt like being part of those movies. The landscapes, the architecture, the set design of the interiors, the way of life (indlucing empty streets where you can barely see that someone is spying at you from behund a curtain), the weather, the wind, the dust, the flies. Desperately looking for an open bar in the middle of the afternoon in a little village lost in a red canyon. The way all of this makes you feel, walk, talk. The locations inspired way more the final experience than Leone's italian roots. And I'm talking as somebody who has seen some of the Leone locations in the US as well as his share of real wild west. Including around the mexican border, in all of the 4 states.

By the way, for those of you who have access to Facebook, the following page was a huge help:

It features tons of comparison shots (screengrab from the Leone film + photo of how it looks today) with GPS coordinates. One example that I visited for instance:

Guadix, Provincia di Granada, Spagna

37?18'39.7"N 3?07'30.6"W

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: OUATIA 35mm Trailer
« on: September 24, 2023, 11:44:40 PM »
It rings a bell tough. I'll have to check what's on my old OUATIA dvd.

Definitely NSFD.

@n_l, you enjoying the rioting? What?s it about this time? ;D

I missed this one! It was just like BLM, the police killed a kid. Unlike BLM though there was no clear political discourse next to the riots. So while the population was mainly against the police after the shooting, everything shifted with the riots and the population became against the rioters. Which means nothing was done to stop these killings from happening. Whatever your stand is on the issue, the riots wheren't a good strategy this time around.

Porn now available in NY subways:

People are worried about this? What about the RATS???

You're gonna cause a new Drink rant

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Saw Fistful of dynamite for the first time
« on: September 08, 2023, 07:38:17 AM »
Don't expect me to pay that much attention on here, lol. I'm never going to give a post that closer inspection.

I still don't understand the point of it. Are you saying that some one directed A.I to create a fake name account so it can post here? Why? The other problem is I don't approve new members as far as I know the webpage is on auto pilot.

No it's just the new generation of spam bots. They post a few "cohesive" posts and sometimes slide a spam link in the post.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Saw Fistful of dynamite for the first time
« on: September 08, 2023, 06:57:49 AM »
The is a certain "blur" in every AI generated content, wether it's image or text. In this case, check out their messages. They actually don't say anything. There is no point. It's a vague rephrasing of what came before. AI text is very very good with context, not that much with generating ideas.

Here is what an AI understood of the previous posts (I started with Shorty Larsen post so it had some context):

In this exchange on an internet forum dedicated to Sergio Leone, participants discussed various topics related to the director's films and Ennio Morricone's music. They shared their opinions on films such as "Once Upon a Time in the West" (OUTW) and "For a Few Dollars More" (FFOD), as well as Morricone's music.

"The Clint's" comment initially mentions his perception of the film "For a Few Dollars More" (FFOD) as being too long, but he later appreciated it more upon a second viewing, despite noting issues with actor James Coburn's accent. This led to a discussion about Coburn's character's name.

They also discussed the train crash sequence in the film, noting potential issues with the special effects in some scenes.

"kelseyradley" briefly touched upon the concept of how one's mood can affect their perception of a film and suggested that movies may appear different after repeated viewings.

Finally, a user named Dave Jenkins expressed concern about the presence of AI on the forum and questioned the possibility of flagging or deleting it. Another user, "Cigar Joe," responded with humor.

A user named "Noodles_Leone" made allegations that some posts are generated by AI, citing users kelseyradley and pauldupont as examples. "Cigar Joe" then expressed interest in AI's involvement in discussions about Sergio Leone and asked how participants can tell which posts are AI-generated.

And now I asked the AI to write kelseyradley's answer. Here is my brief:

Now can you write kelseyradley's answer? He's trying to prove he isn't an AI but a real human interested in the topic at hand. He's also trying to get back on topic.

Here is what the AI came up with:

"Well, folks, I can assure you that I'm not an AI, but just a real human who's genuinely interested in discussing Sergio Leone's work. Let's get back to the topic at hand. Has anyone noticed the recurring themes in Leone's films, such as the exploration of greed and vengeance? I find it fascinating how these themes are woven into the narrative and how Leone's style brings them to life on the screen."

So how "natural" it seems at first glance but on closer inspection it doesn't really express an actual idea? Only vague terms associated with Leone and a bad movie critic way to piece the sentence together. AI generated content, NOWADAYS, cannot create. It can just imitate cohesiveness.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Saw Fistful of dynamite for the first time
« on: September 08, 2023, 01:56:43 AM »
kelseyradley's posts for instance. As well as pauldupont's ones. Those are ai generated. Those aren't real humans talking here. I'm also more and more convinced Drink's post are written by a broken AI.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: September 08, 2023, 01:54:04 AM »
Something Wild (Demme, 1986) - 6.5/10
Very fun first half, the ton shoft isn't really nailed because the second part is much flatter and aged poorly (despite a great tailing sequence).

Buffalo '66 (Gallo, 1999) - 7/10
Highly manierist but really fun one. It would work surprisingly well as a double feature with Something Wild, with tons of parallels (including a common "let's visit my parents and pretend we're married" scene) and oppositions (ambitious new york businessman vs lost redneck).

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Saw Fistful of dynamite for the first time
« on: September 07, 2023, 08:48:05 AM »
Hey, new blood.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: September 04, 2023, 02:09:39 AM »
Oppenheimer (2023) - 5/10. The problem with this film is that it has three stories to tell--1. The Road to Trinity 2. Oppenheimer Losing his Security Clearance 3. Lewis Strauss' Nomination to be Secretary of Commerce--and only the first one is of any interest. Who cares about Lewis Strauss (whoever he was)? And really, who even cares about Oppy's security clearance difficulties? How can that even rate beside what should be the main concern of the feature: the ethical questions that attend the creation of the world's first weapon of mass destruction? The three stories do allow Nolan to fragment the chronology so that each storyline is able to comment occasionally on the other two, and a very talky film is thereby also made more cinematic in the process, but in the final analysis those two extra stories are a drag. And after the explosion at Los Alamos, the interesting part of the film is over but we still have to continue with those stories we don't care about. Occasionally interesting casting choices do provide us with pleasant surprises--Kenneth Branaugh as Niels Bohr, Bennie Safdie as Edward Teller, Gary Oldman as Harry Truman, and (my favorite) Tom Conti as Einstein. (Tom, where've you been since the 80s?) But that's too little entertainment for a 3-hr movie. The book has got to be better.

The bigger issue at hand is the fact that 80% of the artistic choices are made to make us "experience" how "heavily conflicted and even guilty" Oppy is feeling about all this. Which (1) was the worst possible way to deal with the chore thematic of the movie and (2) forbids all of the different storylines to be actually developped since, whatever happens, it will always be pushed aside by Oppy feeling so bad anyway let's just replace the background shake the camera and have loud noises, no, louder, NO, LOUDER!!!

General Discussion / Re: Any point of view?
« on: September 01, 2023, 03:15:05 AM »
I'm employed by a small production company at Warner Bros. I've been hearing persistent rumors about a potential revival of the Western (SW) genre. I've noticed that Mal Paso, Clint Eastwood's production company, is also located here on the lot. I'm curious to know if they have any involvement in this. Some of the speculation suggests that if such a revival were to occur, the film might be shot in Europe with a foreign crew, and there might also be the approval of Leone's son. I'm wondering if any of you have come across similar information or rumors regarding this matter.

To be clear, you're talking about reviving the dollar trilogy or just SW in general? Because Leone's son has no power/rights on the SW genre.

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