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General Discussion / Re:Any Successful Screenwriters on board?
« on: May 21, 2003, 04:27:08 PM »
This sequel stuff is fun all right, but as a purist, I like to think that the story ends with the movie, and speculation about what happens next can be detrimental to the intentions of the original writers, and to our appreciation of the film.
There are quite a few sequels out there that have completely trashed the original movie, in my opinion - MUMMY RETURNS succeeds in that respect.
I have trouble even contemplating ALIEN 3, which begins with the little girl, Newt, being already dead, after she gamely survived through all the terrors of ALIENS. Presumably, they felt she was surplus to requirements, but it just left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I don't watch ALIEN 3, so as far as I'm concerned, she's just fine.
I remember being at a film fair where two guys were discussing writing a sequel to THE ITALIAN JOB. It all seemed to hinge on the fact that they'd figured out a clever way of stopping the bus falling over the cliff, by transferring the contents of the petrol tank forwards.
What struck me most was that in trying to figure out how to get Michael Caine's gang out of their predicament, they had completely missed the point of the movie's ending.

General Discussion / Re:Cigars.
« on: May 21, 2003, 04:11:40 PM »
In an old BBC documentary about Leone, it was claimed that the Eastwood character smoked the local Italian cigar known as Toscani. The point of that particular section of the documentary was that Leone was often praised for the gritty authenticity of his movies, but that they actually weren't all that authentic. They went through the innaccuracies with the guns and stuff, and ended with something like "even the cigars are a local Italian brand".
Toscani are quite long, thin at the ends and fat in the middle, and you're supposed to cut them in half to smoke 'em. You can buy them already cut in half, and these are called Toscanelli. I have it on good authority that Aldo Sambrell smokes Toscanelli. 8)

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Is Leone the ticket-seller or not?
« on: May 20, 2003, 03:52:56 PM »
You know, it's funny, but that ticket-collector looks more like Henry Fonda than Sergio Leone.
Should I start a rumour?

Trivia Games / Re:Where's Ponch! (and I don't mean from CHIPS!)
« on: May 20, 2003, 03:48:16 PM »
In Prof Frayling's biography of Leone, he acknowledges that there are several origin stories for the poncho, but sensibly declines to give weight to any one of them over another. He quotes the story that Eastwood picked up the poncho from a Hollywood costumiers, but also mentions the existence of an early sketch by Carlo Simi clearly showing the design for the poncho.
It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Leone decided a poncho was required and asked Eastwood to bring one with him from the US.
Whatever the case, the poncho was the ideal garment under which to hide the metal plate, as suggested by Michael above, and therefore I have to agree that it must have been either in the script or the costume notes from a very early stage.
I believe that Kermit's endorsement of the idea being Clint's is off target.

The Colossus of Rhodes / Colossus of Rhodes - The Rock Concert
« on: May 20, 2003, 04:39:48 AM »
Pretty unbelievable, but Sergio's brilliant Peplum is to inspire a Rock Concert.
See Here:

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:The Commandant
« on: May 15, 2003, 03:56:37 PM »
I am sure that this is Antonio Molino Rojo

General Discussion / Re:Klaus Kinsky & European Stars
« on: May 15, 2003, 04:50:13 AM »
remember the auction in OUATIW: you could see very quickly  Fabio testi

Well spotted. It really does look like Fabio Testi in OUATITW. According to the imdb, Fabio Testi was an uncredited stuntman in GBU, so it would all add up to why Leone hired him for OUATITW, because as you subsequently see, all the bad guys in the auction scene get killed by Frank in punishing ways. Judging by the hat that Fabio Testi wears in the auction scene, he's the one who pushes the rifle over the town clock, casting a shadow, and when shot falls back off the roof and crashes through a veranda. An amazing stunt!

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Why brother?
« on: May 11, 2003, 03:34:40 PM »
That just shows how good the English Language version of the script reads, doesn't it?
"Keep your lovin' brother happy" is just such a menacing line when compared to "play something for your brother".

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Harmonica`s scar
« on: May 11, 2003, 03:29:55 PM »
Mr Stefanelli has been in so many films over such a long period, that it is not surprising that he may have mis-remembered what happened, or indeed heard something on set that wasn't accurate. And as a stuntman/actor, I bet he often made movies back to back or simultaneously, so remembering casts or mixing movies up would be very easy to do.

As to Prof Frayling, one of the good things about his other book, the biography of Sergio Leone, is that where he has received several versions of the same story he does tell all the versions, so that the reader can make up his own mind about who to believe. For instance, there are three different stories as to how the poncho in FOD came about. Although I guess in that instance you are dealing with people's egos in claiming they had a bigger hand in things than was actually the case.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Harmonica`s scar
« on: May 10, 2003, 04:47:49 PM »
Nighteagle, I believe that Stefanelli is wrong. According to Prof Frayling's Spaghetti western book, Leone decided to cut that scene whilst filming, and took some of the dialogue from it to insert into other scenes that he was currently writing.
The beating scene could not be restored to the movie because then you would have duplicated dialogue.

Sergio Leone News / Re:Fistful of Dynamite DVD UK release
« on: May 10, 2003, 06:04:52 AM »
If the BBC version runs at 146 minutes at 25 frames per second, then that version would run in the cinema at 24 frames per second, and last 152 minutes.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:replica poncho on ebay
« on: May 07, 2003, 03:24:12 PM »
Looks brown to me. Also the text says "heavy wool" which is exactly what the new replicas are made of. The one that Clint wears in FOD is quite soft wool as you can tell when he throws it over his shoulder to reveal his gun, and in the way it hangs generally.
I wonder how you'd differentiate between it being an original UA replica or a new replica?

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:replica poncho on ebay
« on: May 07, 2003, 03:17:24 PM »
I just mentioned this on the OUITW poster thread, but it might be worth discussing here.
Cusser notes that the poncho as seen on the original GBU poster is red, whereas the one in the movie is brownish. I am sure that in the DVD of FOD, the poncho is green.
What colour do people think the poncho is in each movie. And what colour is the replica poncho allegedly handed out during the release of FOD?

Is Clint's real poncho brownish? In the FOD DVD it definitely looks green.

I believe that this is just a very intriguing advertising slogan made up by people who may have read the synopsis rather than viewing the film.

It is difficult to relate the slogan to the characters in the film, and whilst I agree that McBain clearly loved her, I feel that the slogan is surely meant to relate to the three main characters: Frank, Harmonica and Cheyenne.

Frank was clearly the "one to kill her". Although it may be argued that at one point it looked like Cheyenne may have turned up at the ranch to do just that: after all, Jill was scared enough to be debating using a knife on him as he talked around the massacre of her family.

Frank also clearly was the "one to take her" - if "take her" is understood as rape. But then Harmonica did seem to be about to rape her when he pushed her around in the barn, ripped her clothes and sent her out to get water from the well.  If by "take her", we mean "take her in hand", i.e "look after her", then I guess that's either Harmonica, who solved the Station mystery and beat the rigged auction, or Cheyenne who became her mentor and gave her the will to stay and live out McBain's dream.

The "one to love her" is Cheyenne. You can see how much he cared for her, particularly in the last scene at the ranch when Frank and Harmonica are duelling out back, and he's imparting his wisdom to her. He loved her in a fatherly way. I don't think Harmonica loved her, because he was just so wrapped up in his game of vengeance, and like Cheyenne said: people like that have something missing inside. However, I'm sure Jill wanted to love him.

So on balance, I'd go for Harmonica - take, Cheyenne - love, Frank- kill. But I'm pretty damn sure that isn't what the slogan writer at Paramount intended.

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