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The Colossus of Rhodes / Re:The Last Days Of Pompei
« on: May 04, 2003, 01:33:28 PM »
I have the French Anamorphic Widescreen DVD which is excellent quality. If you're a Peplum fan, then you should find this movie quite enjoyable, but it's not really recogniseable as a Sergio Leone movie. In fact Sergio was quoted as saying that he followed the original shooting plan that Paolo Moffa had worked out and felt honour-bound to finish the movie the way that Moffa would have done.
However it's great to see it in light of the fact that it's almost a sketch for what he was able to do with COLOSSUS OF RHODES - similar plot, similar set-pieces: mysterious temple, massive arena sequences, monumental earthquake.  Just think how much more fun POMPEII would have been with Rory Calhoun in the lead, and thank your lucky stars that Leone got Calhoun for COLOSSUS and not the producer-preferred Reeves.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:THE PONCHO...
« on: April 26, 2003, 05:18:20 PM »
Sergio Leone says it was a trilogy in an interview he gave to Noel Simsolo around the time he was finishing GIU LA TESTA.
He states quite clearly that FISTFUL OF DOLLARS was "the first installment of a triptych".  He goes on to say that "this first trilogy was completed" with GBU.

Now I doubt he intended a trilogy when he started, because as we all know, he was lucky to get FOD shot and released, since the producers thought it was going to be a flop. But once the series was complete, there is no doubt he was happy to look back on it and describe it as a trilogy.
So that's what it is: a trilogy.

For a Few Dollars More / Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
« on: April 15, 2003, 02:57:36 PM »

For a Few Dollars More / Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
« on: April 15, 2003, 01:06:11 AM »
Mortimer's sister, you mean.

I quote:
'There seems to be a resemblance.'
-'Naturally, between brother and sister.'

My apologies, my mistake. Yes I did mean Mortimer's sister.

General Discussion / Re:"Duck, You Sucker!" vs. "Fistful of Dynamite"
« on: April 13, 2003, 04:20:59 AM »
Well, I hate to disagree with myself, but in the interests of factual accuracy:
I've finally found a copy of an old interview with Sergio Leone by Noel Simsolo and it appears to agree with Prof Frayling and the posting by angeleyes.
However, to put things in context, Leone does appear to be now running the line that even if everything had not been planned from the start, he'd at least modified as he went along, with the creation of a Western trilogy being his intention.
He states quite clearly that FISTFUL OF DOLLARS was "the first installment of a triptych".  He goes on to say that "this first trilogy was completed" with GBU. "Having finished with that grouping, I wanted to start shooting ONCE UPON A TIME... AMERICA. I went to the states to get production started, but -alas- there is no forgiving success! They asked me to shoot another Western."
So Leone did OUATITW, and then once again tried to prepare OUITA. But because OUATITW was now a huge success, he was asked to do ONCE UPON A TIME... THE REVOLUTION.
Leone wasn't going to direct himself, but the backers wanted him. And he originally wanted Jason Robards and Malcolm McDowell, but ended up with Steiger and Coburn: "So, I modified the script in order to be able to include the film as a parenthesis (sic) between ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST and ONCE UPON A TIME... AMERICA." (He means that OUATITW and OUATIA were to be the parentheses that would include OUATTR)
In response to a question regarding making films about Revolution and the Political climate in Italy at the time, Leone says: It was so difficult, in fact, that the Italian partners rejected my title in Italy. I had to change ONCE UPON A TIME... THE REVOLUTION to GIU LA TESTA, which means - in Italian - "duck", but also "get out of the way", so that that title takes on a very precise social connotation."
So although GIU LA TESTA wasn't Leone's first choice of title, it seems that it was a title which he now felt was very apt.

There's also a section later on where Leone explains that the final flashback in ONCE UPON A TIME... THE REVOLUTION "was cut in Italy because there the public has sacrificed itself to a new fashion: getting up and leaving just a little bit before the end of the film. this was a little ticklish with this film, because it's stuffed with false endings." But outside Italy he put this final important flashback into all the other versions.

You'll notice that in this quote Leone is still calling the film ONCE UPON A TIME... THE REVOLUTION, or at least an English translation of C'ERA UNA VOLTA... LA RIVOLUZIONE. So maybe that is what he really wanted all along, another triptych or trilogy of similarly titled movies.
Maybe the re-issue should be titled accordingly. One thing's for certain, nobody wants FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE.

General Discussion / Re:"Duck, You Sucker!" vs. "Fistful of Dynamite"
« on: April 12, 2003, 03:58:12 PM »
I wouldn't put too much store in what it says in Professor Frayling's book. The Professor devotes a whole page to praising Leone's performance in CEMETERY WITHOUT CROSSES, completely unaware that he's watching Chris Huerta. That's not the only error. In fact the Professor admits that there are mistakes, but explains that writing an 800 page book and getting everything right is really difficult.
You'll also notice that the Professor often quotes different people telling different stories of how certain things happened, and these stories are often contradictory. I believe there's about three stories concerning where the poncho came from.
So what it says in the Professor's book regarding the original script title, may not be the way it was.
Then again, what I read in an interview that Sergio gave at the time of the GIU LA TESTA release may not be true either. But Sergio was quoted as saying that he wanted to call it GIU LA TESTA and he wanted to call it DUCK YOU SUCKER. Check Fornari's book for the DUCK YOU SUCKER story.
It's surely more likely that a distributor would want to cal the movie ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE REVOLUTION in order to package it alongside ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Naturally Sergio would want GIU LA TESTA because it encapsulated the story.

For a Few Dollars More / Re:FaFDM DVD - Missing scene?
« on: April 10, 2003, 03:40:16 PM »
Okay, let me put it this way:
The prostitute in bed with Blondie in the missing scene from GBU is most definitely Silvana Bacci, about which I have no doubt. She is not credited.

The girl raped by the soldiers and beaten by Setenza in GBU is most definitely Rada Rassimov, who may well not be credited.

Mara Krupp most definitely  plays the wife of the dwarf Hotel-keeper in FAFDM. Apparently there is a photograph from a deleted scene where she attempts to get in bed with Clint.

Marianne Koch is Marisol in FOD.  

Rosemary Dexter is Colonel Mortimer's daughter, raped by Indio in FAFDM.

General Discussion / Re:"Duck, You Sucker!" vs. "Fistful of Dynamite"
« on: April 10, 2003, 02:21:05 AM »
I'll just clarify that the further meaning I give to the expression "Giu La Testa" of "get out of the way" is not my personal translation. It was how Leone described the meaning in order to give substance to the idea of Revolution - make way for the new order.
I cannot remember exactly in which, of the many books or articles about Leone that I have read over the years, that I found this "get out of the way" explanation, but I have always clearly remembered it as his philosophy for using the term. However, I know I read this in English, so again it may have been slightly altered in translation. But I can assure you that the translator made a strong distinction about Leone saying that not only did it mean "Get your Head down", it also meant "Get out of the way".

Do check the De Fornari book to read about Leone's insistence that "Duck you sucker" was an everyday American expression. It's very funny.

General Discussion / Re:"Duck, You Sucker!" vs. "Fistful of Dynamite"
« on: April 09, 2003, 12:32:12 PM »
"Giu la testa" is apparently a colloquial expression that means "get out of the way". It perfectly suits the setting of the revolution which is about the old regime getting out of the way to make room for the new. It's also about the old making way for the young, which is why originally Leone intended to cast an older man as Juan (Jason Robards), and a younger man as Sean (Malcolm McDowell).
According to the Sergio Leone book by Oreste De Fornari, Leone was completely convinced that "Duck You Sucker" was a regular American expression, and no amount of pressure from anyone would get him to think otherwise. Personally, when I'm blowing people away, I like to use "Say Goodnight Gracie!".
I'm talking computer games, by the way.
So Leone was not at all interested in demeaning the movie by making it seem like a companion piece to Fistful of Dollars, or as part of a Once upon a time trilogy as the French seemed to want.

On another note, Juan's final line "What about me?" is not lip-sync, nor is it Steiger's voice. It was dubbed in afterwards for the English-speakers.

I look forward to an English-speaking release and hope that it will be as complete as the Italian CVC Special edition.

Tell me John Kirk, will you be including some "then and now" type location shots for aficionados?

Once Upon A Time In America / Re:Is Leone the ticket-seller or not?
« on: April 07, 2003, 11:38:41 AM »
Yes,  my point exactly. Are these not the photographs that are already available to view on this board?

The current state of play is that Stephen Pelletier, who was originally convinced that Sergio Leone was the ticket collector, has now gracefully admitted that he was in error, and has written to the production company to find out exactly who is the actor playing the ticket collector.
It is generally now felt that finding the name of the actor would bring closure to this once contentious argument.

A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Fistful of dollars trailer
« on: April 06, 2003, 03:05:10 PM »
Nice project.
It's not very usual to tell the story of the film in a trailer, because that may undermine a person's need to see the entire film. Plus you might end up making an unexciting trailer by being too literal to the plot. Trailers are ususally free-form, based on connections of ideas and images, but not necessarily in the order they appear in the film. Everyone would do it differently, because everyone sees different things in a film that appeal to them. One thing's for sure, you always show the best bits.
I'm glad you're going to do it without voice-overs. I hope you don't do it with all those fashionable quick-fades to black after every shot like they do now, though!

The Hall of Mirrors showdown is an old movie standard. Orson Welles used it in THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI, and Antonio Margheriti liked it so much he used it in both ANTHAR L'INVINCIBILE (THE SLAVE MERCHANTS) and E DIO DISSE A CAIANO (AND GOD SAID TO CAIN). It even featured in a Bruce Lee movie, ENTER THE DRAGON. There must be many more instances.

General Discussion / Re:WaR iS HeLL BuT WHaT oPTioN WaS THeRe?
« on: April 06, 2003, 01:22:32 AM »
Agreed. the only further point is that there is a difference between a discussion, which is how this seemed to begin,  and propoganda,  which it had degenerated  to.

Yes you are absolutely right: there is a difference. But I would hope that we are all intelligent enough to recognise propoganda for what it is and to turn it back against the author with irony and ridicule.
The fact that there are a few propogandists on this board should not deter the rest of us who believe in freedom of speech from having a free and frank discussion.
People who don't want to talk about the War, or any other contentious subject, can easily stay away from that topic and concentrate on the many other topics that are available.
I am sure that none of us want to see this board degenerate in the way that the old Leone board did because of it's complete de-regulation and abandonment. But I hope that neither do we wish to see it being controlled the way the Spaghetti Western board is, where freedom of speech has been castrated by a small clique of buddies who gang up as pressure groups on people who their leader hates, and ruthlessly delete any messages that disagree with their points of view.
It's not exactly Iraq, but it helps you understand how Saddam has maintained his evil regime for so long.

General Discussion / Re:WaR iS HeLL BuT WHaT oPTioN WaS THeRe?
« on: April 05, 2003, 04:48:41 PM »
I do not believe that it is wrong to discuss politics on this board, particularly as the board is separated into different sections. Perhaps the only mistake is that, as suggested above, the original author chose the wrong section in which to begin the discussion.
The important thing is that we are all brought together here by our common interest in Sergio Leone. But that shouldn't stop us from occasionaly discussing other topics, as indeed we would do with our other friends.
I have a group of friends with whom I play sports. we talk about the games a lot, but we also talk about politics, and we don't always agree. But it doesn't stop us being friends.
Freedom of speech is a precious thing, and it shouldn't be killed just because we can't take an adult approach to differences of opinion.

General Discussion / Re:WaR iS HeLL BuT WHaT oPTioN WaS THeRe?
« on: April 03, 2003, 12:57:14 AM »
Who murders Civilians in Israel? : The Palestinians.

Who rejoice at killing Israeli Women and Children: The Palestinians

Who calls for the extermination of the Israeli people: The Palestinians, Saddam Hussein, and a lot of fanatical Arabs. Although the Nazi's got there earlier.

Who supports the rights of the Israeli people to live in peace, despite being continually attacked by Arab Countries in the region: I certainly do.

Who is an apologist for Cowardly Terrorist Assassins?:
You are.

Your Question :  Why the world hate  USA  ?

Answer: Jealousy

What happens when the USA controls Nuclear Weapons? : World Peace.

What would happen if Saddam had all the Nuclear weapons?: World destruction.

What happens if you criticise George Bush in his own country? : Nothing at all, we live in a democracy and enjoy Freedom of Speech.

What happens if you criticise Saddam Hussein in his own Country?: You and your family are tortured to death.

Just be glad that doesn't happen here, and that you are free to express your opinions, however foolish they may be.

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