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A Fistful of Dollars / Re: Fistful of Dollars or Yojimbo?
« on: July 06, 2007, 12:42:15 AM »
Well I am great fan of all Sergio's movies, so I would say FOD.

General Discussion / Re: Question for all fans...
« on: July 06, 2007, 12:36:26 AM »
Thanks alot Peacemaker ;)

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Poster scene: or Leone's greatness
« on: July 05, 2007, 11:59:20 PM »
Thanks alot, AS! I really didn't know about that. But  that "so called scene" is not any less impresive, even after you discovered that this particular scene pays hommage to Lev Kuleshov. In fact, it only shows that Sergio Leone learned from the best. And about originality of the scene, well what can I say: Sergio is probably one of the few directors who managed to transform old cliches into something new and fresh. Once the West consists from over 30 western movies, but it stands alone, and it is masterpiece.
By the way, AS I wanna thank you again, I will try to dig more about Lev!   

General Discussion / Question for all fans...
« on: July 05, 2007, 05:31:15 AM »
.....especially from German fans like Mike Siegel (sorry if I am wrong).  ;) I heard one interesting thing:
Is it true that in the German version of OUTIW in the hanging scene, instead "keep your lovin' brother happy" Frank says in German "Spiel mir das lied von tot" in translation "play me a song of death", and then he sticks harmonica in the mouth of Harmonica's brother?
Can enyone confirm this? Thanks. ???

For a Few Dollars More / Re: "Maybe next time"
« on: July 05, 2007, 12:58:58 AM »
Blondie as a mayor!!!I think this is the most idiotic idea about GBU sequel of all time! Man with No Name to became the part of the upper class? :o That would be against everything that Sergio established in his dollar trilogy. This script reminded me on couple of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer movies.  It would be comic western, and it would cast a shadow on GBU. Thank god they didn't made a sequel! And thank Sergio for movie that came after this  he, he, he.... :D

Yeah, and Frank's entrance along with his gang is one of the best entrance sequence I ever saw in the movies. Other is of course Harmonica's entrance: train, this time used as a curtain in the theaters, takes of, and we have the most powerfull scene ever: sound of Harmonica, and then movie starts. 8)

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Poster scene: or Leone's greatness
« on: July 02, 2007, 12:12:49 AM »
Mortimer is playing mind game with Manco. First time when he told Manco "Not if I get my hands on Indio first" he reacted instinctively, emotions must  overhelmed him. He wants Indio so bad that he forgot Manco is after him too. So he realised that he revealed himself too much. But after that point he became same old col. Douglas Mortimer, cool and dangerous.
So he now he wants Manco on his side so he made an offer.  You said very well "You can have the REWARD for Indio, and I 'll take the reward for the rest of the band". The only thing that this sentence implies really is that Mortimer is not after money at all. Basically he said : you can have the money for him (he said REWARD not you can have his life, Indio's life belongs to Mortimer)but he didn't said you can have him, Indio, and in this case it is a maior diference between thiese two explanations.
Another thing: right after the shootout Mortimer clearly said and showed that he is not here for the money at all.
"Congradulations kid, you just became rich!"
Manco: "You mean, we became rich, old man."
Mortimer: "No it is all for you, I think you deserve it" and he leaves, but not before he turned on his watch. Clearly watch, and all things this watch simbolises is more important then 27.000 dollars. More important for him.
Another thing: before the final battle Mortimer and Manco are sitting near the house and they are preparing their guns for battle. Now Mortimer knows that he can trust Manco, after all that danger they been trough, and he knows that this is the time for true.
Mortimer said: "Leave Indio to me". Just look on Mortimer's face is enough for Manco to agree. Manco now suspect something.
So we can be pretty sure that Mortimer doesn't want the money at all. He seek revenge.
So as a answer to your last sentence, no he didn't have any interest in reward, but he had interest for Manco and his skils with the gun, and he knows that Manco doesn't believe in sentimental reasons, so he pretends that he wants money too.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Poster scene: or Leone's greatness
« on: July 01, 2007, 09:14:44 AM »
I guess you are right Noodles_SlowStir, directors and producers are afraid and they don't want to lose their money. And Sergio's example is perfect simbol of that situation; his movies (especially Once Upon a Time in America and OUATIW were heavily cut) , so Sergio's vision was ruined with pan and scan copies of the movies. He recieved his well deserved glory only years after his movies were restored to their full glory. :'(
That is the thing with all great artists. They recieve their glory only after they are gone. :(

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Poster scene: or Leone's greatness
« on: June 30, 2007, 10:55:09 AM »
That is way I cannot understand thiese "modern movies". Almost every movie of our times is using "neutral" POV. And what we have as a result?  Basically we have only one perspective, and that perspective forces us to except that "dominant", and often only point of view in the movie. Result: we have only one meaning, and for a work of art this is unaceptable.
Sergio wasn't afraid to " set  camera free", and that is why, among the other things, his films stood the test of time. But often people thought that camera angels and POV were "too much artsy" and without any meaning (especially I hate this explanation for Sergio L. movies: too much style and no substance!).
Well ,we know now that we absolutely need more camera movements, not more special efects! ;)
And question: what do you guys think, what is the main reason for today's director for not using different POV in order to get more complex movie? I noticed that this is not only in case of Hollywood movies, but also in the independent movies too!

For a Few Dollars More / Poster scene: or Leone's greatness
« on: June 29, 2007, 02:23:37 AM »
I saw this movie once again, well not whole just best parts, so about 2/3 of the movie... :D, and I decided to watch the scene with a Indio's portret.
First came Manco, camera took his POV so we can see Indio's diabolical face all over the screen. And then we have Sergio's masterful eye for a little details. Camera slowly moves up, only to end up focusing to 10.000 REWARD.
Then camera is switched to another scene, and we are able to see col. Mortimer's reaction. Again, we have camera taking over col. Mortimer's point of view, as he looks at Indio's face, just like Manco. But this time, collonel's eyes (and camera too) are moving down, to the end of the poster, and camera is now focused on this words: WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE.
What does this all mean to us. We see now that they inspect the same poster, but for a very different reasons.
Well this is the first hint in the movie that provides us with informations that Manco is here primarily for the money, and col. Mortimer is here because something else. His eyes are not fixed on the 10.000 REWARD, but on the fact that Indio escaped from prison, and now he must find him, DEAD OR ALIVE.
But this hint is so subtle, so you can easily overlook it. And the fact that this scene has no dialog whatsoever, (show, don't tell)-Sergio is the master for thiese sort of things, so we can easily miss something important. And important it is, especially in  combination with Manco/Mortimer conversation just after their "shooting hat" game, and the second hidden clue.
Manco said something like this: "When I get my hands on Indio's MONEY I will buy ranch and maybe settle down".
Mortimer then replies: "Not if I get my hand on Indio first. I cannot quote Mortimer's words exactly but it is obvious that there is no word MONEY attached with the name Indio. That means Mortimer wants Indio, and money is not important.

General Discussion / Re: Who's cooler,Coburn or Bronson?
« on: June 29, 2007, 01:39:08 AM »
I like Coburn, especcialy in Duck you sucker!, but I am gonna give my vote to Harmonica, ups...Bronson.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: What if... Frank won?
« on: June 27, 2007, 05:00:27 AM »
Yes, that would be something. I already see it: just after the flashback we have the shootout. They both fire they wheapons at each other, but we can't see who has won the fight, because camera is now switched to the Jill and Cheyenne scene. In the middle of their conversation, we hear someone approaches to the house. Of course, we can hear someone behind the front door.
Squeaky sound, doors are open, and we can see that someone ( or something has cast the shadow!!! ) inside the house.
Now camera is switched to Jill's face so we can see her emotions. First she is happy, :) because she believes in Harmonica's skills with a gun, but then her face become grey :(, and finally we can see a horror written all over her face. :o In that exact moment music swells, and the music is "As a Judgement". Camera is now on the face of Henry Fonda, focused on his lips, and camera is going up, so we can see his face. Sinister smile. >:D
"I am back as I promissed. We gonna have a little more fun, you and me...and after that...well."..Frank replies.
In that moment Frank becomes aware of Cheyenne's presence.
So you have a protection, he gaze in Cheyenne with his beautiful, nasty and cold blue eyes.
Frank drows.So as Cheyenne.
*possible spoiler*
Cheyenne managed to shoot him in the shoulder, but Frank was a little faster, so he shot Cheyenne right in the heart.
"Well, looks like we are all alone now. Finally, some privacy." Frank approaches to Jill and only moment before he reached her, we can hear the sound of the Harmonica.
Camera takes Frank's point of view, slowly turns and we see white light is in the house, and Harmonica as he is standing at the door. Once again, he is shot in his shoulder, he bleeds, but it seems that cannot stop him.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: less is more!
« on: June 26, 2007, 02:17:54 AM »
Yes, but the thing that fascinates me even more is the fact that people who saw hundreds of westerns can enjoy in all of thiese fine references from about 30 western movies, but also people who haven't seen any western can enjoy too.
My point is, you don't have to be a "western freak" in order to understand and watch this movie. It has so many levels but you don't have to be familiar with every one of them in order to be able to appreciate it.
Hell, many people accused this film for his "loose plot, and lack of the characterisation"!

Well they are making Blue Ray and HD DVD for us, more space for extra materials, fotos, documentaries about movies, and all that in just one disc :D

General Discussion / Re: AFI Top 100
« on: June 23, 2007, 02:23:29 AM »
Yeah, Paramount and MGM invested their money into Sergio's movies, so they must have some right to thiese movies, or not? 
Also , what's  the thing with the animated movies? (Snow White and Toy Story). I thought that they suppose to be in a separate list, afterall they have different making process than standard movies?
If this was a list of the Japanese movies, I guess creators of this chart would be in trouble :D

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