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Welcome to the board Moviesceleton! Well I am not from the United States, and english is not my native language either ;).

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: John Rambo Teaser Trailer Released!!
« on: May 22, 2007, 01:43:52 AM »
Yeah, it is pretty unfair to compare Rambo with Leone's movies. But when you see The Rock or Vin Diesel's movies (except Pitch Black),  you must admit that Stallone's sequels are masterpieces of this genre. :D

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw
« on: May 21, 2007, 03:18:20 AM »
"Moscow Zero" 1/10 .
Avoid this movie at any cost. This is the worst movie with well known actors (V. Kilmer, V. Gallo and Rade Serbedjija) that I ever saw. DISASTER.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Favorite Non-Western Revenge Movies?
« on: May 16, 2007, 02:13:07 AM »
Well , I liked The Crow with Brandon Lee, of course. Other three sequels were crap. I dunno, I guess he reminds me on Harmonica, in his pursuit for revenge. Even death can't stop him.

General Discussion / Re: eastwood
« on: May 14, 2007, 02:45:36 AM »
This is suppose to be adventure movie right? So if they cast Eastwood, and there are rumors about Sean Connery too, and of course Harrison Ford, that is the adventure with the three maior roles in their 70+. Personally, I am  fan of trilogy but this!!!? I don't know....

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: May 11, 2007, 06:09:23 AM »
I cannot believe I missed this sequence of the movie: Harmonica is ready to leave McBain farm and after "someday"moment,  we can see railroad workers all around McBain farm. Among many, two guys are digging that  tree stump, just like Shane and Joe. This is certainly direct quote from the movie "Shane". But sequence is very short (unusual for Leone :)) and I somehow missed it! :(

I didn't have such problems either. I 've started posting imidiately after I validated my account 8)

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Hommage to OUATIW?
« on: April 26, 2007, 01:17:55 AM »
In our time filmmaker who wants to make a good western is almost doomed to fail. Fact is, when Leone started to make thiese westerns everyone thought that this genre was dying. He revitalised it, and we had another era of western, SW in Spain and Italy. After Sergio, again dead end. But Clint Eastwood made dozens of good westerns, and he was able to do that because he learned from the best. Frankly, I am surprised that anyone would made another western after Sergio and Clint. I mean you can't just go and make westerns like the ones with John Wayne. Then again you can't pretend that Sergio and his new inventions never egsisted.
So its hard to make a good western; If you try to do it in old way, that would be ridiculuos. If you try to copy Leone, it would be patetic. Clint has pick up all the rest . Really you have to be some kind of genius to make a good western thiese days.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Hommage to OUATIW?
« on: April 24, 2007, 02:20:37 AM »
Couple a days ago I saw one of the "modern westerns"  The Quick and the Dead" with Leonardo di Caprio, Gene Hackman and Sharon Stone. There are more than few simillarities between this two movies.
Here is example:
1.In both of thiese westerns revenge is a main theme of the movie
2. Main characters Harmonica, and The Lady as we see, they have only nicknames, not real names.
3. Both main characters are coming to town, there are strangers with hidden agenda. They keep they identities for themselves.
4. The Lady and Harmoinica are underastimated at first, but pretty soon everybody knows how quick they draw their guns.
5.Main villain in both movies Frank in OUATIW and JOhn in TQATD are very fast with a gun (maybe the fastest until they met main hero). Both were liders of their gangs in their previous life, and both were brutal killers with reinessance aproach to death.
6.Most important: how they killed their victims. Frank hanged Harmonica's brother, and H. has to carry him on his shoulders.
John hanged Lady's father, sheriff, while he was on the horse, and he offers the gun to a little girl. If she can shoot the rope her father will stay alive. The point is John knows that little girl doesn't stand a chance. Gun is heavy in her hand. Of course she missed the rope and she killed her father. Both Frank and John are offering the false hope to a young victims, because they like to watch their misery. Both characters are monsters. John even murdered his own son, Frank kills little boy, and girl. They are ruthless.
7.In both movies others members of the gang are present in a scene during hanging, and they enyoying the whole thing.
8.Frank doesn't know Harmonica's true identity, until the very end. John doesn't know Ladie's true identity either. They are asking the same question: who are you? Frank at the point of dying, and John during dinner at his place.
9.Revelation: Revealing main characters true identities true some kind of specific detail; Harmonica is defined by instrument harmonica, and Lady's identity is revealed by her father's sheriff shield.
10. Both scenes are of course in flashback. Frank and John are shaken by this discovery. Frank saw harmonica and he knows who the man with harmonica really is. John saw sheriff's shield and he knows who The Lady is.
11.Finally showdown: scenes are very simillar like the one from Leone's movies, camera closeups on eyes etc.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: April 22, 2007, 11:50:30 PM »
I watched commentary again and I think that Frayling said OUATIW has the same ending  as "Sergeant Rutlidge" and Shane. That "Someday" line at the end of the movie. So  does anyone know what kind of "goodbye ending" Sergeant Rutlidge has?

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: April 20, 2007, 04:32:41 AM »
Thanks alot Groggy, I didn't know that ;)

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: April 17, 2007, 04:46:17 AM »
In the commentary abot the movie OUATIW, Christopher Frayling said that their is a reference from Shane and Sergeant Rutledge. Does any of you guys know  exactly what and where in the movie that reference was?

I always prefered that tension before the final showdown.
AE: You not digging.
B:   If you shoot me, you want see the cent of this money.
AE: Why?
B: Because it is nothin' in there.
T:   You...
B:   You thought I trust you?
B:   200 000 is a lot of money, we gonna have to earn it.
AE: How?
B: I am gonna write the name of the grave on the bottom of this stone. (Gun?)
After that Ennio's music start, and from that point magic happens. Blondie puts that stone in the middle of the orchestra circle (ring, or corrida circle), Tuco steps in, and they all wait for Angel Eye to accept the challenge. AE accepts and music starts. That moment is my favorite. I don't know how many times I watched that sequence, but I can watch it all over again. I don't know any other movie with this kind of replay value.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: April 16, 2007, 02:21:20 AM »
I dont know if you discussed this earlier, but there is one reference in OUATIW from the movie Shane. I think maybe even direct quote. In the scene where Frank and his man appear from the bush, and as they walking towards little boy, we see the tree stump, that looks like the stump that Shane and Joe tried to cut of.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: The Squeaky Clean Rape Scene
« on: April 07, 2007, 10:05:28 AM »
Well, very often names in Sergio's movies have their simbolic meaning. Word MORT exist in the OUATIW too (Morton), and he also brings death. ;) I guess thats why thiese movies are so appealing. You can't  find only one true meaning, you find many and they all can coexist without any problems. Film has many layers, and thats why we love them. O0

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