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I hope this hasn't been posted before. Sorry if it has, I had a good search first......

I stumbled across this book on google whilst searching for info on the two different versions of the track The Trio.
Here is a link;
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=G2lqIuCFJ_MC&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=the+good+the+bad+the+ugly+the+trio+different+version&source=bl&ots=pjjteCn-Mj&sig=VHBzKy-BIYPXj1UamjUXYBtRkoM&hl=en&ei=gGYrTdmgPIaphAey6KSuAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=the%20good%20the%20bad%20the%20ugly%20the%20trio%20different%20version&f=false

Looks pretty interesting to me.

It's also available from Amazon

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Tuco's beating
« on: November 21, 2010, 01:28:50 PM »
This is a very powerful scene, made even more hard to watch since the extended version was made available.
The acting is so convincing that it looks like Eli must have been struck to actually get his body to react in the way that it did.

Do you think Mario Brega would have really hit him? Not as hard as is made out for the film obviously but would he have given him light blows?
A couple of instances come to mind are when Tuco is on the floor and Wallace whacks his foot down on the back of his head and after he has pushed his thumbs into his eyes he absolutely belts him in the stomach whilst lying across that table.

It just looks too convincing to be acting....

What do you all think?

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General Discussion / Whack! The best slap?
« on: October 03, 2010, 11:25:31 AM »
The most effective slap for me is the one that Angel Eyes gives to Maria. What a noise it makes!
What is your favourite slap or punch, or the most effective?

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Film Locations / Amazing location comparisons
« on: April 05, 2010, 06:05:22 AM »
I hope this hasn't been posted elsewhere and sorry if it has....
I just stumbled across this on youtube and thought it was incredible. How on earth did the makers achieve this?
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjDBUL_zhqs

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Tuco's half smile
« on: July 02, 2009, 12:08:17 AM »
Well I've just posted 2 new topics so why not a 3rd?
At the opening of the final gunfight in Sadhill cemetery Angel Eyes watches Tuco carefully as he lifts his gun out of his trousers before stepping into position. Is it just me or does Tuco give Angel Eyes and sort of half smile. It got me wondering about little aspects that I have always noticed but never really questioned.
Is it simply the first of many nodding glances that we see between the 3 as they try and get eachother on their side? Clint seems to be in charge of all this making the other 2 think they are on his side and that they are going to both aim for the 3rd member.

So I suppose my question is, does Tuco give Angel Eyes a smile as if to say "Me and you buddy, let's both shoot at Blondie"?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / The original overdubbing
« on: July 01, 2009, 11:59:02 PM »
Watching bits of GBU last night reminded me of a question that I have always wanted to ask you guys. Again I suppose my question applies to all films but I am going to use an example from GBU.
What were the techniques for overdubbing back in those days? I can only guess that the likes of Clint, Eli and Lee had to go into a studio, stand in a sound booth and give the lines as they came up whilst watching the film on a projector screen.
Assuming that this was the case what about all the other sounds that were picked up on set? Take the scene when Angel Eyes pours Tuco a little more rum and then pats him on the back in the prison hut whilst talking about playing a little music for his digestion. I can only imagine that back in those days they didn't have closed mikes that could pick up only what the actor nearest to them said. If this had been the case then I suppose that the actors voice track would be on 1 track on the mixing desk and they could easily overdub them. So when the actors went back into the studio to overdub their voices surely all other sounds would need to be added to - the pouring of the rum, the pat on the back, the striking of the match, the footsteps etc.
This would be absurd though surely so again could one of you guys fill me in with what the process was, I'm baffled

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Editing
« on: July 01, 2009, 11:44:49 PM »
OK so GBU was on Ch5 over here in the UK last night and despite the number of times that I've seen it I can never resist flicking across to watch the odd snippet and to see whether it is cut or not.
I watched the Tuco beating scene and noticed that although they showed sections of the previously cut extended scene it was still cut and wasn't shown it in it's entirety.
This lead me to want to ask a bigger question. How and who at Ch5 (for example) would be able to cut the tape? In what format do they receive the film to broadcast? I don't know anything about these things. How are they able to chop parts out but make a reasonable job of the sound editing? It's as if they have access to the visual track and the soundtrack and can edit as they see fit. I would love it if someone here could explain this to me. I suppose my question applies to all films not just GBU.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Tuco and Blondie's Scam
« on: April 22, 2009, 11:01:08 AM »
OK, this may be a daft question but here we go.....

After we see Blondie shoot Tuco down after the first time he is about to be hanged, ("Known as the rat...") are we the audience supposed to believe that the two came up with the scam after their initial meeting and that Tuco being carried into town draped over his horse etc is simply to make it all look real?
Or did Blondie genuinely suprise Tuco by shooting him down?

I'm sure it is the first  but it is something that has always made me think over the years.
What do you all think?

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For a Few Dollars More / The Jews Harp
« on: January 10, 2009, 08:02:14 AM »
OK so I have a jews harp and I love pretending that I can play the tune as well as the man (Could be a lady, let's be fair) on the original soundtrack.
I can get a really good sound out of mine except there is the occasional twang of a tooth here and there but one question - how the hell does the recoding not pick up the sound of his finger twanging the instrument? There is some pretty fast noodling going on there and I just don't know how the bloody hell he did it, let alone did it without the twanging sound being picked up...

I can do the single twang that you hear whenever there is pan to Mortimer - I've got that down to a T  :)

Geeooowww

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For a Few Dollars More / Which instruments played that bit?
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:36:27 AM »
Hello, it's me again asking about which instruments made those particular sound effects......
I'm talking about the scenes where Indio daydreams back to the when he walked in on Mortimer's sister and lover. It goes from the timepiece music that we are all familiar with to a very haunting effect that I think is typical of Morricone.
How did he get that effect though. I guess you would do it electronically today. I'm not sure if there are some high end strings and some chimes in there?
Check it out at 59:42

Cheers

The Rat

Edit - I hear now that it is perhaps a music box and that the sound is whisped all over the place to create the effect.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / What is that instrument?
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:25:59 AM »
I have always wondered what on earth the instrument is that makes a tiny appearance during the final show down. I can only think it is some kind of percussion instrument. It guests at exactly 2:39:17 and plays around amongst the tweeking sound of a more common percussion instrument for about 5 seconds before the cymbol roll and close at 2:39:25

Do any of you even know what the blazers I'm talking about? It sounds very perculiar.

The Rat

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Script in the cut scenes
« on: October 03, 2008, 02:55:12 AM »
I cant remember if it was discussed in the documentaries on the DVD but was the dialogue in the previously cut scenes already established and then translated for the new cut or did they have to 'invent' the lines used?

I ask because some of the lines seem very out of place to me. E. g. -

One of Wallach's buddies says "But people said that you were killed in Albuquerque" and Wallach replies "And people talk bullshit!"
I can't recall the b-word being used elsewhere in the film and I have always thought it rather cheapens the scene. Particularly on top of the terrible, terrible dubbing. As a side note, we see each of his amigos laughing after they swing down into the cave but the laughs sound stupid compared to the expressions on their faces. Totally unmatched and out of place.

A second line of dialogue that troubles me is the line by the Confederate soldier - "Mmm, our hotel is full of blah, blah, blah (can't remember) we are spared no expenses, we have luxury cuisine - potatoes Dixie style"
Totally out of place again in my opinion and it almost spoils the atmosphere in the scene and the beautiful music and camera work that we have just scene, er I mean seen, ahem...

What do you reckon?

PS - I am still over the moon with joy to have these scenes by the way!

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / GBU on the big screen
« on: September 09, 2008, 02:11:21 AM »
I saw GBU on the big screen for the first time on Sunday night here in the UK and it blew my b*llocks off.
From the moment that the titles began I had a smile on my face.
Wow, it simply looked stunning.
I don't really do film talk but suffice to say that Leone was definitely a genius at film making. An example of a perfectly shot scene, accompanied by beautiful music was the fort scene I thought.
You almost shook your head in amazement if you know what I mean
I do have to say however that the addition of the cut scenes kind of spoilt it for me. Not just the terrible dubbing by the old actors but also just the way that some of them look. They kind of look a bit twisted to fit if you know what I mean but stand out a mile
An example would be the cave / grotto scene. This seems out of place between the gun shop scene and the scene of those bearded dudes riding into town with the Union. After the Grotto scene it was as if we were returning to the 'real' film
This could just be because I was always used to the 'cut' version but I'm not convinced. Similar with the little desert scene that has been added. It just seems a bit naff.
The fort scene however totally fits in and should have always been there.
The photography / cinematography too was stunning.

Anyway, just wanted to share my appreciation of my favourite film on the big screen with you!

The Rat

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / The Strong
« on: June 24, 2008, 10:23:52 AM »
I'm talking about the soundtrack here folks.
Surely this is a literal transalation of Il Forte but not the correct meaning of Forte! When I first got the soundtrack years ago I found it confusing enough that the music wasn't in the film and then a couple of years ago after seeing the restored DVD it occured to me that the piece shouldn't be called The Strong as Il Fort is the scene where Angel Eyes comes across the injured soldiers at the 'outpost' / castle / ruined builing

Anyway I'm boring myself now but just wanted to share that with you!

Also, why do some of the titles on the soundtrack have English translations but not all? I am talking about my CD copy (7243 8 66248 2 6) with 21 tracks from 2004

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General Discussion / Zeitgeist The Movie
« on: June 07, 2008, 08:55:35 AM »
Just wondered if any of you knew what the music is right at the end of the film? It sounds like it is played on a Marimba.
The piece fades in at the end when segments of Bill Hicks and Richard Alperton quotes are heard

Cheers

The Rat

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