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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Blondie and Bill Carson.
« on: May 06, 2008, 05:12:59 AM »
Don't you think it also has to do with the best way of filming the scene.
Your attention would be diverted from Tuco and Carson had you been able to see Blondie crawl up in the background. It might have also looked quite funny!
The important thing for the audience is that they see Blondie had been crawling up and was indeed getting "acquainted" with Bubba Carson when Tuco got back.....

Like you Jane I don't like remakes either and cannot think of one example where I have preferred the newer version whether it be music, film or any artform.
And like Cigar I don't think I would go out of my way to watch it. I think there would however be a deep rooted desire to see how crap a job they would make of scenes like the final shoot-out or the dessert with the carriage of spirits- well any of then scenes actually. Plus don't forget that it would have a different soundtrack. I just can't imagine it without Morricone's original score - it sounds authentic like we are watching and listening to something from the 1860's. If it were to be remade it would probably have some dreadful dancier more thumping version of the main title.....

Oh god I feel sick at the thought!

The anger that he shows at himself is just put on I think!
I don't think he even cares that his parents have died. It's just an act to show his brother that he isn't all bad.
Tuco, I believe, loves the criminal life and wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes as a priest.......

As Pablo is a religious man who has dedicated his life to the church he naturally looks down upon Tuco and his 'wayward' lifestyle regardless of the fact that he is his brother. When Tuco defends himself and reminds Pablo of their upbringing, social standing and limited choice in life I think it opens his eyes to the situation that he probably lost sight of a long time ago.
I think it also reminds him that although he disapproves of Tuco, he is still his brother. Maybe he even feels closer as bother their parents are dead and that they only have eachother left.

When he calls after Tuco, and Tuco dismisses him, he continues what he wanted to say - "Please forgive me brother"
I think it's just one of those moments where you say what you wanted even though it is too late. That way you have still said it and feel better about it

Finally, regarding why he waited to ask for Tuco's forgiveness, well I think that what I have typed above would have taken a while to realise. It wouldn't have been instantaneous

Jane, I think this is a very controversial topic amongst Leone fans but I think everyone here would agree that you should get this latest version.
It is true that they have overdubbed new gun shots and canon blasts and this for me is a real pity. I don't benefit from surround sound and Dolby 5:1 blah, blah because I have what would be regarded as an old TV.
The new gun shots spoil it for me as I knew the film for how it always used to sound and I loved the individual shots that were used.
It's great to see the deleted scenes but I think there should be an option to remove them from the main feature or have them as part of the extras.
I don't know what the reviewer is whinging about the picture for - I think it looks great. As I said earlier my TV is a good 10 years old so perhaps I may see what they meant if i saw it on a newer LCD TV.

Basically I think you should just go out and get it - I can't believe that you have gone this long without seeing it to be honest!

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Would you consider Tuco as....
« on: April 18, 2008, 02:38:18 AM »
There's a lot of love in this forum for The Wallach

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Would you consider Tuco as....
« on: April 17, 2008, 05:37:44 AM »
Cigar, that sounds about right. It was taped of the telly by my parents in 1986 I think.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Would you consider Tuco as....
« on: April 17, 2008, 03:54:47 AM »
Definitely. I think Tuco is the guy that you can't help but love - even though he is a rat!
For me he steals the film. Van Cleef and Eastwood are excellent of course but Wallach's performance is wonderful. His character is always going to get the sh*t end of the stick and he is generally portrayed as being pretty stupid so I guess making the character funny with a sense of humour brings him out more. It's also much more fun to watch and I love the original overdubbing he did, all those little noises! E.g; when he is waiting for Blondie to tell him the name of the grave or when he is taking a bath!

I always thought of Tuco as the Bad and Angel Eyes as the Ugly mainly because this is how the TV version that I had from years ago portrayed it but in recent years I have learned that it is the other way round. Something that I don't understand? Angel Eyes is far more evil / ugly

Don't forget that it was Blondie who left Tuco in the desert first after he grew tired of their 'partnership'

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: The Trio (Main Title)
« on: April 16, 2008, 12:49:39 PM »
Thanks for that. Seems strange still though that the middle section beginning at 2:25 is a different piece altogether?

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / The Trio (Main Title)
« on: April 16, 2008, 03:17:34 AM »
Nothing new guys, but why is the version of this different on the (original) soundtrack to that used in the film? Was it scored for the soundtrack and then later altered for the film?
The film version is in a different league - so much more appropriate and suspenseful

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Just dug out my old laserdisc...
« on: April 16, 2008, 03:05:54 AM »
Is John Kirk the geezer that reckoned the original gun shots from GBU became unworkable with since they re-mixed the soundtrack into Dolby 5:1?
Personally I think that when you turn lose a team of people like that onto a project like restoring these 3 films they don't know when to stop. I don't have any complaints about FOD but like the other two posters here have always felt a bit pee-d off about the cut beating scene in FAFDM.
Also the cut down scene where Indio giggles insanely in the prison yard annoys me. I always found that bit so creepy, I guess it still is actually.
However these two films I can live with and I think they look great.

They have however ruined GBU for me. Fortunately I saw it that many times on a vhs taped from the TV when I was younger that I still remember how it did sound. Sure the picture quality is great but the new gun shots sound like something from a modern action film dubbed over a film that is supposed to be set in the 1860's - oh hang on, that IS what they have done.....

Some of the dubbing is absolutely dreadful too. The Grotto scene in particular.

I also think that the new scripts leave little to be desired in places. Would the captain at the Fort really have said something like "Mmm our hotel is full of luxurious cuisine with no expenses spared" (not 100% accurate I know) when the film was originally written. Just seems a bit naff to me.
The original gun shots, and cannon fire for that matter were all totally different and were so important to making the film what it was, I thought. Now I believe they are all the same. They are also far too loud and I have to turn down the TV when watching the film.
Gosh, what a moan!

I used to love watching the film and although I was thrilled to see all the new bits back in '04 when it came out I think I wish that you could remove the extra scenes and watch them as extras - like someone wrote he a while ago

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Final Shootout
« on: April 15, 2008, 03:14:33 AM »
This has probably already been discussed but doesn't Angel Eyes' hat change position in the open grave between frames? Something that I have always noticed.

Anyway that whole scene is so well shot and edited. I love the way that Angel Eyes slides into the open grave after Blondie shoots him a second time, and then the way that Blondie re-positions his cigar in his mouth. Tuco also looks pretty pleased too until he realises that Blondie must have emptied his gun.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Music Score in the Grotto Scene
« on: March 28, 2008, 04:39:47 AM »
Thanks for the info Archie

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Guy Callaway
« on: March 28, 2008, 04:28:02 AM »
I always wondered whether or not Shorty and Guy were the same actor. Back in the old days I even used to try and pause the moment on my vhs copy where Shorty drops in GBU to check but could never get a clear freeze-frame! Thank god for dvd's.

Something strange that I've always noticed about Guy Calloway. When you see a close up of him right after the scene where Mortimer shoots his horse and he turns around (and the creepy second or two of music plays) he looks like an entirely different person compared to when he is staggering towards Mortimer saying "I'll kill you for this". Has anyone else ever thought this? I guess it must be the same person but his whole face looks entirely different to me!!

Finally where does Mortimer shoot him initially, it obviously isn't fatal but he seems to grab his face before falling down. He makes some pretty funny noises too and boy, is that kid dripping some sweat!

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