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Sergio Leone News / Re:Finally, Found Once Upon a Time in America on DVD!!
« on: December 27, 2002, 11:24:33 AM »
Ok you take the bullet for the rest of us and let us know if its worth it. lol

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General Discussion / Re:Did Leone kill the western with kindness?
« on: December 27, 2002, 11:20:59 AM »
Casius, I couldn't agree with you more, I watched what I could of both Rio Bravo, and McLintock on Christmas day, what jokes, one of them had the fistfight in the mud puddle cliche, which was also used in North to Alaska another Wayen vehicle, too much formulaic bs. I try and keep my Leone like fine wine, to be watched only occasionally, and under optimum conditions. It should be a requierment FOR NEWBIES to have to watch so many hours of crap and then see your first LEONE!, lol.

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A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Final scene - thoughts!
« on: December 25, 2002, 11:19:07 AM »
iron from the side of a mine ore car.

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A Fistful of Dollars / Re:Does Joe have a love intrest in the girl
« on: December 25, 2002, 11:17:36 AM »
Doesn't Joe say that Marisol and the boy reminds him of his past and there was nobody around to help?

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Other Films / Re:Other Favorite Non Spaghetti Westerns
« on: December 23, 2002, 03:59:37 PM »
jouissance, rent the Hombre DVD if you get a chance and tell me what you think, you may enjoy it!

Before Eastwood one of the coolest actors was Paul Newman.

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Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:leone breaks a classic western rule...
« on: December 23, 2002, 03:51:27 PM »
I have noticed it before I was always torn between two interpretations, one being the obvious as you stated the other being the supernatural, what if Harmonica was literally an avenging angel, a spirit who cannot be killed, or who does not remain dead for long, remember during the lead up to the final duel he tells Frank the names of all the men that Frank has killed, just food for thought...

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General Discussion / Re:Native Americans
« on: December 23, 2002, 03:32:12 PM »
jouissance, some reservations are much worse than others, on a lot of them poverty reigns, the Flathead was one of the better reservations, it straddels a beautiful piece of Montana, the Mission Range and Flathead Lake, the best times were at the yearly pow-wows where they danced their traditional dances and fancy dances, and played the stick games, a real gathering of families and tribes.

I think my reference to the portrayal of natives in sw's in my earlier post may be explained by the fact that the natives were never really portrayed in good light in the earlier hollywood westerns, from which Leone and others used as their framework,, later after the spaghetti's yes, a more enlightened approach to native americans emerged and continues to improve to this day.

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General Discussion / Do indians belong in western?
« on: December 23, 2002, 05:52:49 AM »
This is just my observation, and I'll be the first to admit that I have not seen every spaghetti western, but the one weak point where the illusuion breaks down for me is in the portrayal of Native Americans, one film that particularly comes to mind was 100 rifles with Van Cleef and Jim Brown. The natives looked ridiculous in that one and were played in slapstick style.

Living for a few years on the Flathead Indian reservation in Montana I can ashure you there are some big guys that can be pretty intimidating if pushed the wrong way.

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For a Few Dollars More / Re:The Man With No Name
« on: December 23, 2002, 05:41:48 AM »
I'm sure what you say is true, the low budget spartan nature of FOD would be at the mercy of what the crew could gather together. Its more like it was set on a distant planet called the West, lol. As the movies gained popularity and budget more attention was paid to details.

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For a Few Dollars More / Re:The Man With No Name
« on: December 21, 2002, 05:54:56 PM »
I think the only link was that they were good character actors, the  timeline puts GBU first (black powder guns, though converted to cartriges) FAFDM is next (cartrige revolvers) and the machine gun that Ramon uses puts FOD the last.

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General Discussion / Re:Viva Tuco
« on: December 21, 2002, 05:47:11 PM »
caius , english bob was played by Richard Harris.

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General Discussion / Re:What is your favorite Film?
« on: December 21, 2002, 05:45:16 PM »
Caius, that's what I've been saying all along te westerns before Leone's were pretty much run into the ground just rehashed plots, Leone brought the anti-hero to the forefront.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re:Submit your Top 10 movies,Leone et al.
« on: December 17, 2002, 03:37:35 PM »
1. The Good the Bad & the Ugly, 20+
2. For a Few Dollars More, 20+
3. Blue Velvet, 5+
4. Gladiator, 5+
5. Last of the Mohicans, 5+
6. Seven Beauties, 5+
7. Leon (the Professional) 5+
8. Swept Away 5+
9. The Pink Panther 10+
10. La Femme Nikita (French Version) 5+

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:THE PONCHO...
« on: December 16, 2002, 08:53:54 PM »
FAFDM I would say late 1870's- early 1880's, FOD would be the last in the timeline, the machine gun used by Ramon has to date it closer to the turn of the century.

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Trivia Games / Trivia Question
« on: November 27, 2002, 04:27:10 PM »
Name the similar shots and the Leone Movies they were used in?

And  part two, what do you think is the signifigance of them?

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