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Hello everyone,
just saw that I had posted something as a newbie without being so polite as to introduce myself first. So I just wanted to catch up with that.
After reading and following the board for about four years as a guest I finally registered attracted by the level upon which discussions are led giving me new insights in the SW and moreover the politness with which posts are written is also appreciated. This is no flattery but meant as a 'thank you' to all registered users of this board.

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General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: January 26, 2010, 11:32:54 AM »
Your're welcome.
I like LL comics a lot (not really a secret looking at my avatar) because they are made by people who have an eye for the detail, they are often refering to actual historical events or persons and some of the stories are really hilarious. The LL-issure featuring the bounty hunter as hommage to LVC of course is a must-have (he's wearing a duster like Frank's men do when waiting for Harmonica in OUATINW which as a running gag all bounty hunters in the LL-universe do.) The 30mm figure of him was hard to come by and I'm quite proud that he is part of my LL-collection.
If you'd prefer a comic really being influenced by the sw I would like to recommend 'Blueberry' or 'Durango' (first issure closley resembling the movie 'The great Silence') instead, but I'm sure you already know that.

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General Discussion / Re: Lucky Luke Comic Books
« on: January 25, 2010, 12:56:56 AM »
Actually I never considered the Lucky Luke comics a major influence on the sw. Even the opposite, the comics being with regard to contents influenced by the sw seems doubtful.
Lucky Luke started as a so called "semi-funny" in 1946, short stories only and was published as a stand-alone comic book for the first time in 1951, the first issue being "Lucky Luke against Pat Poker". The period started with that album until the time Morris met Goscinny in 1954 is now called the "Lucky Luke classics". Lucky Luke was a lot tougher these days and killed one of the original Daltons with a shot to his head (!) in "Hors-la-loi" so the ending had to be corrected on demand of the publishing company. This took place before the sw. After Morris had teamed up with Goscinny in 1954 Lucky Luke became the funny parody on the western genre as which he is known today.
That's why I consider influences being more than just stylish ones as doubtful. Lucky Luke's tough days lay well before the beginning of the sw and when the sw starts to flourish LL is already on his way to becoming a funny comic and, imho one of the best comic books ever. What I mean talking of 'stylish' in this context is that the LL comic books pick up the typical appearance of charakters and settings established with the sw in a mocking way, thereby i.e.  showing that almost nobody is wearing intact clothes ;) and the western towns sometimes look as dirty as possible in a parody like that  but regarding the contents LL is not even close to a sw.

By the way: The french company Pixi has published hand-made metal model sets for a complete LL-town in 30mm size (like common tabletop wargaming). If you choose the not too colourful buildings it is possible to gather a real nice looking scenery. The hommage to LVC in the LL-universe is called "Elliot Belt" and I would attach a picture where you can see him standing in front of the Saloon if I only knew how to...

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No remake please.
You cannot top GBU and you wouldn't want to try.

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When I first saw this movie as a mere child I was prepared for Clint, not quite prepared for Tuco but Angel Eyes came in totally unexpected - I remember me sitting in front of the TV set watching him emerge from the desert looking at his distinctive facial features thinking "oh my god..."

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: What if Angel Eyes...
« on: December 25, 2009, 09:52:44 AM »
Right, he did ;)
Well, what I wish to say and you to know is that these discussions are the reason why I registered as a user after following and reading the board for about four years. This is no flattery but the level upon which discussions are led is well above what you might expect from a web board. The politness with which posts are generally written is also appreciated. This is meant as a 'thank you' to all registered users of this board.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: What if Angel Eyes...
« on: December 21, 2009, 12:51:18 PM »
Maybe I underestimated Walllace.
He did know about the con game Tuco and Blondie were running, that's right.
I have to admit that I always thought the reason Wallace was entrusted with torturing Tuco was besides his physical strength his simplemindedness therefore he would not ask to many questions. I personally believe that AE did not trust anyone so it seems rather improbable to me that he told Wallace about the hidden gold.
AE runs his life as if he had known the rules by Ace Hannah, like Joe Erin put it: " Ace used to say you don't take any chances you don't have to. Don't trust nobody you don't have to trust, and don't do no favors you don't have to do."
Still what has been said keeps me thinking about Wallace's motivation. Maybe he was more than he seemed to be.

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: What if Angel Eyes...
« on: December 20, 2009, 03:04:32 AM »
Allright, I see what you mean, you are of the opinion that Wallace knows something about the hidden gold. Good point. I agree that AE didn't count on Tuco to get rid of Wallace, I had something different in mind. Wallace didn't make the impression on me that he's the sharpest tool in the shed so I actually thought  that Wallace was unable to put the pieces together by himself.
Well, I thought that Wallace never knew anything about the disappeared cashbox AE was after. Assuming that this assumption is correct AE's plan might have been to send Tuco to his certain death by hanging which keeps Wallace who wants to collect the promised bounty on Tuco's head occupied long enough to make him lose the track of AE. Even if Wallace would be interested in returning to AE's gang of which we cannot be sure he certainly would have had difficulties to find AE in time to witness his attempts to recover the cashbox. So I guess Wallace never gets to know anything about the cashbox, there's no one left alive to tell him except for AE in this "what if" scenario and AE will keep quiet for sure.
What do you think?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: What if Angel Eyes...
« on: December 17, 2009, 09:24:03 AM »
We actually never saw Angel Eyes break any agreement he had - just the opposite :)
Smokey is still right, AE does not just lose his buddies to Tuco and Blondie, he in fact counts on the fact that he will "lose" them. The only reason he left Tuco alive in the first place is to get rid of the big guy Wallace played by Brega whom he probably promised the bounty on Tuco's head, so AE kills two birds with one stone that way.
I think because AE was willing to sacrifice his gang without hesitation he would have found a solution for his remaining "friends" should they still have been around after he took the money from the cemetary...

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: GBU Scene By Scene
« on: December 05, 2009, 10:05:20 AM »
There's something I always wonder about watching this scene: The look on the boy's face when he senses the fear in his father's eyes. I got the impression that what Ruiz feels before sitting down at the table is disappointment. Ruiz seems to know that his father is not up to the task of dealing with the stranger. I got the feeling that Ruiz wants his father to display strength and courage while knowing that his father is unable to do that.
That's of course just an personal impression I got, maybe I'm totally wrong on that. Cigar Joe, what do you think?

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Zwei Glorreiche Halunken
« on: September 23, 2009, 07:20:28 AM »
Yes, I think stanton is right, there seems to be only one dub derived from the german cinematic version. I think stanton is also right in supposing that most people prefer the TV dub because sometimes the translation misses the point (I can give you an example if you like me to).
The german version of "Once upon a time in the west" is even worse, I don't think that anyone only knowing the german dub can guess what's really going on between Harmonica and Frank, at least not considering the dialogue...

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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re: Zwei Glorreiche Halunken
« on: September 22, 2009, 05:12:01 AM »
There are indeed several versions shown in the german tv channels, the newer one including the missing footage is also widescreen and has a brighter picture, this version is called "DC". While in the GE the "german version" has the original lettering unchanged but subtitled in white capital letters (DER HÄSSLICHE / DER BÖSE / DER GUTE) as you surely know the "DC" version shown in german tv has the texts as follows: der brutale / der böse / der gute

The german title "Zwei glorreiche Halunken" of course is terrible, but at least it follows the working title closely...

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