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For a Few Dollars More / Re: Drug crazed Indio
« on: January 28, 2005, 08:52:00 PM »
  I'm pretty sure Indio is smoking pot, grass, doobies, a fatty, whatever you want to call it.  Or at least I think so.
He is indeed smoking herb.

Pot reduces inhibitions, but it doesn't necessarily make you mellow. Under its influence I once karate chopped my brother in the neck, after which I swore off using the stuff. They don't call it loco weed for nothing.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Harmonica's life
« on: January 27, 2005, 10:04:40 PM »
  What does everyone think Harmonica did in between the years of his brother's death and then when he finally caught up with Frank?

Has Harmonica been trying to exact revenge this whole time? 
I'd say he was accruing retributive glamour (how's that for a mouthful?)

Consider: when Harmonica guns down Frank, although he is chiefly concerned with avenging his brother, he is settling several other scores as well. Dave Jenkins, Calder Benson, Jim Cooper and Chuck Youngblood require satisfaction, and are no doubt "behind" Harmonica when he sends his bullet into Frank "as a judgment."

Other Films / Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
« on: January 21, 2005, 05:16:23 PM »
Well, maybe it is more of an Oklahoman me it just sounds like a very exagerrated attempt to make Bill sound more "cowboy".  Which is mildly ironic, given how often Ryan slips into more of a NY/NJ "tough guy" speech pattern.  :)
Well, yeah. But then, Col. Mortimer never really sounded like he came from Virginia, either.

« on: January 18, 2005, 12:17:58 AM »
RR does have the swinging oil lamp from OUTITW near the end in the Abeline Kansas Hotel  ;D
It also has that great moment when the Duke swears vengence on Monty Clift. Things get really interesting then. HH knew that one of the great themes of the Western was male loyalty and betrayal; no one would ever treat that theme as well again until Leone came along.

RR also has that great bit when Joann Dru takes an arrow and doesn't kind of woman!

Outside of Leone, RR really is the best Western, to be followed in descending order by:

My Darling Clementine
Winchester 73
The Wild Bunch
True Grit
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

Tombstone *could* have been a great Western, had the filmmakers kept in mind Leone's criticism of Gunfight at the OK Corall: "What was Rhonda Flemming doing in that movie?"

Other Films / Re: McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971)
« on: January 17, 2005, 11:35:16 PM »
The reason they did the flashing was since it was done to the negative the studio couldn''t jerk them around there would be no way to change it.

One more thing the very end is a sort of homage to Leone, it has a very close up zoom shot of Julie Christie''s single eye, so close infact that it goes out of focus. This is while she''s zoneing out in an opium den, the out of focus eye refocuses on what looks like a porcelain opium poppy bud that Julie is slowly rotating and it resembles a shot of the earth from space, pretty cool little sequence that Leone fans will appreciate.

Check it out!
Not sure why we Leone fans should note this. How is this an hommage to the master?

Also, I've heard Altman mention that flashing technique before, and I don't think it fully accounts for the look of the film. He also used flashing on _The Long Goodbye_ a film that has a very different (and Southern Californian) look. Maybe the differences in local had something to do with it, or maybe Altman and his cinematographer improved their technique, but I think M&MM looks terrible and TLG looks great.

Other Films / Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
« on: January 17, 2005, 11:20:50 PM »
Just saw this today, and even in the dog-awful Madacy dvd version, it's quite a movie.  Law, imo, isn't nearly as bad as reported-just stoic to the point of blandness and dubbed with a funky Texas accent. 
I'd say it was an Oklahoman accent.....

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: January 16, 2005, 10:40:27 PM »

Here is a small one for you Dave, and a new entry, near the end of Red River in Abeline Kansas Montgomery Cliff's character meets up with his girlfriend in a Hotel room he takes off his hat and brushes against an oil lamp hanging from the cieling, the shadow rises and falls as the two embrace, in this film its nothing, in Leone's hands it becomes iconic.
Thanks, I'm gonna take another look at RR tonight!

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final Flashback?
« on: January 16, 2005, 06:39:52 PM »
I think the fact that they share is surprising, you really figure that his friend will be expelled (because it fits with the codes you are used too) and that would be a dramatic scene.
 It makes the film far less sad. If the film had added to the betrayal an angry rivalry between them, it would have been terribly sad. The film finishes by a positive aspect of their relationship, and is less sad like that.
And it may not even be a memory; it could be an idealized or wished-for event.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final Flashback?
« on: January 13, 2005, 09:05:01 PM »
Whoa!... where the hell did you get sister? if there is one thing i''m sure of it''s that the woman is not related to either of the men by blood... thats a bit too specific and deliberate to just be something you get from an ambiguous flashback... obviously they both enjoyed the same woman and didn''t mind sharing.
Okay, maybe she's not a sister. But she could be a cousin....

By the way, gramps, is incest some kind of hot-button topic with you? Cousins do marry each other, and they are certainly "related by blood." No reason to over-proscribe our reading of the final flashback, it seems to me. lol.

Other Films / Re: The Great Silence aka Il grande silenzio (1968)
« on: January 12, 2005, 09:01:56 PM »
great snow fight scene in sword of doom! the film lost its way towards the end.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The ending of SoD is perfect.

Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final Flashback?
« on: January 12, 2005, 08:25:08 PM »
could someone explain  the relationship between the girl and Coburn''''s friend? I can''''t understand their kiss in the final flashback!    it''''s so ambiguous....
Could it be it''s ambiguous''s supposed to be?

You know, sometimes Leone is *intentionally* ambiguous. Like at the end of OUATIA, when James Woods disappears and we''re not sure what happens to him. Does he jump into the back of the garbage truck? Does someone kill him and throw him in? Does he hitch a ride somehow? Or does he just use the truck for cover while he escapes down a manhole? We don''t really know, and obviously we''re not meant to. Leone would have given us more information if he felt we needed it.

The same is true about the final flashback in DYS. Is the woman the sister of Sean''s friend? Or are Sean, the woman and the friend particiapating in some kind of menage a trois? Again, we don''t know.

What we do know is that the image of the three young people cavorting about the beautiful Irish countryside is an image of happiness, one of paradise lost and perhaps one of paradise promised. It has a special meaning for Coburn''s character, one that the rest of us may *apprehend* without necessarily being able to fully *comprehend*. It is, however, enough to know that this idyllic vision occupies his mind at the point of dying.....

For a Few Dollars More / Re:Mortimers sister
« on: December 19, 2004, 04:07:30 PM »
Surely if she wanted to kill herself she could still have killed Indio then topped herself after.

Sure, but  why? You're assuming that she would think like you and want revenge. Move outside your testosterone-enhanced world and channel Frail, dude. Her only thought is to die, and she gets there as fast as she can.

For a Few Dollars More / Re:Mortimers sister
« on: December 17, 2004, 04:05:00 PM »
What about the idea that Mortimer's sister was so bummed by the fact that her old man got iced that she didn't want to live anymore? What does she care about Indio? No matter what happens to him, she's still without the man she loves. And she's just seen him gunned down in front of her. She would be so depressed that she would want to die.... which is what she did.

General Discussion / Re:LEE VAN CLEEF.
« on: December 17, 2004, 03:59:08 PM »
LVC was great in _Escape From New York_. Carpenter knew how to use him.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Quite simply, the best movie ever made!
« on: December 16, 2004, 07:55:02 PM »
Sorry to speak for my own country again...But the French dubbing of OUATITW is excellent.
Could you expand on that comment a little? Excellent how? Give examples, please!

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