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Duck, You Sucker / Re: Final Flashback?
« on: January 12, 2005, 08:25:08 PM »
could someone explain  the relationship between the girl and Coburn''''s friend? I can''''t understand their kiss in the final flashback!    it''''s so ambiguous....
Could it be it''s ambiguous''s supposed to be?

You know, sometimes Leone is *intentionally* ambiguous. Like at the end of OUATIA, when James Woods disappears and we''re not sure what happens to him. Does he jump into the back of the garbage truck? Does someone kill him and throw him in? Does he hitch a ride somehow? Or does he just use the truck for cover while he escapes down a manhole? We don''t really know, and obviously we''re not meant to. Leone would have given us more information if he felt we needed it.

The same is true about the final flashback in DYS. Is the woman the sister of Sean''s friend? Or are Sean, the woman and the friend particiapating in some kind of menage a trois? Again, we don''t know.

What we do know is that the image of the three young people cavorting about the beautiful Irish countryside is an image of happiness, one of paradise lost and perhaps one of paradise promised. It has a special meaning for Coburn''s character, one that the rest of us may *apprehend* without necessarily being able to fully *comprehend*. It is, however, enough to know that this idyllic vision occupies his mind at the point of dying.....

For a Few Dollars More / Re:Mortimers sister
« on: December 19, 2004, 04:07:30 PM »
Surely if she wanted to kill herself she could still have killed Indio then topped herself after.

Sure, but  why? You're assuming that she would think like you and want revenge. Move outside your testosterone-enhanced world and channel Frail, dude. Her only thought is to die, and she gets there as fast as she can.

For a Few Dollars More / Re:Mortimers sister
« on: December 17, 2004, 04:05:00 PM »
What about the idea that Mortimer's sister was so bummed by the fact that her old man got iced that she didn't want to live anymore? What does she care about Indio? No matter what happens to him, she's still without the man she loves. And she's just seen him gunned down in front of her. She would be so depressed that she would want to die.... which is what she did.

General Discussion / Re:LEE VAN CLEEF.
« on: December 17, 2004, 03:59:08 PM »
LVC was great in _Escape From New York_. Carpenter knew how to use him.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Quite simply, the best movie ever made!
« on: December 16, 2004, 07:55:02 PM »
Sorry to speak for my own country again...But the French dubbing of OUATITW is excellent.
Could you expand on that comment a little? Excellent how? Give examples, please!

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:Quite simply, the best movie ever made!
« on: December 15, 2004, 11:20:36 PM »
A good movie, certainly. The best ever made? Why is it, then, that it leaves me unsatisfied on a number of points? To take just one: the dubbing of Claudia. Why wasn't she allowed to loop her own voice? Anyone who has seen _The Professionals_ knows just how sexy that voice is. Since CC is one of cinema's sexiest actresses ever, and she was cast as an utter tramp in OUATITW, it would have made sense for her to loop her naturally sexy voice. Instead, we get that awful dub from that woman who seemed to dub all the women in the SWs. Sergio failed us on that one.

Duck, You Sucker / Re:Duck, You Sucker Restoration issue
« on: December 15, 2004, 10:51:37 PM »
Hi there, my guess would be that MGM will probably release the film as we have it in The Netherlands @ the moment. But then on a region 1 disc off course.

Should you be interested in the Dutch version, which clocks in at 147 minutes, has scenes such as Steiger pissing on ants, Coburn blowing up the church etc. ánd vivid colors, check this link:

Note: this DVD has a English, French or German soundtrack and French, Dutch, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Danish, Greek subtitles.

Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 -> Anamorphic widescreen

The new Japanese disc, out next week, is reported to run 153 minutes.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: De Niro Last Smile
« on: December 13, 2004, 06:01:12 PM »
My idea is that Leone is saying through De Niro: "Man, Cinema is the best damn magic lantern show around!"

General Discussion / Re:the man with no name?
« on: December 12, 2004, 05:06:02 PM »

he's called "monco" in english in FFDM, but it has already been said that it means "one armed"... it is explicit in french

Sorry, the prevailing consensus (Cumbrow, Frayling, this board) is that "monco" means The Monk ("manco" with an "a" means one-armed). This may not affect your point, however, since "Joe", "Monco" and "Blondie" could all be considered nicknames and we never do get the character's real name (assuming, of course, that Eastwood is playing the same role in all 3 films).

So the hero of the Dollars trilogy can be considered *both* the Man With No Name AND The Man With Three Names.

Sergio Leone News / Re:NEW dvd's in 2005 FOD FAFDM AND DYS
« on: December 12, 2004, 04:48:07 PM »
Well, Frayling has done a commentary for the DUCK YOU SUCKER Special Edition that should be out next year.

I expect he'll also be involved with the FISTFUL and FDM dics as well.

Yes, MGM has finally seen the light, apparently, but too late for their GBU SE.

Duck, You Sucker / Re:TITLE
« on: December 12, 2004, 04:30:38 PM »
me too, i would like the special edition to come out as once upon a time ... it would look like 2 trilogys then.
Sorry, MGM in its infinite wisdom has decided that a better trilogy would be FOD/FAFDM/FOD.

Sergio Leone News / Re:The Good The Bad and The Ugly New Edition?
« on: December 10, 2004, 11:34:00 PM »
Why did Frayling only do the commentary on "West", and not OATIA or GBU?
My guess is that Paramount asked him to, but Warners and MGM didn't.

Sergio Leone News / Japanese DYS DVD Release
« on: December 10, 2004, 11:23:39 PM »
I just went to and searched Gui la Testa and got a page that seems to indicate that FOD/DYS will be coming out on DVD in Japan (yet again) on December 23. This is not a special edition but it does seem to have an image enhanced for 16x9. The running time is listed at 153 minutes. Not sure if this will be the same transfer we will get on our US editions in summer 2005. For those of us who are having trouble waiting another 6 months, though, this release is a godsend. Interestingly, the audio seems to be a choice of English or Japanese, but not Italian.

Once Upon A Time In America / Re: De Niro Last Smile
« on: December 10, 2004, 08:35:21 PM »
There are actually two questions here: why Noodles smiles at the end (as a function of the plot) and why Leone shows us Noodles smiling as the last image of the film. The first is easily answered and has already been done so on this thread (the man is buzzed!); the second, and more interesting question, could inspire the writing of any number of film studies dissertations.

I *would* like to observe, however, that that final image reminds me of the shot of Jill on her bed at Sweetwater photographed through the canopy........

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re:2 dusters, not 3....
« on: December 10, 2004, 07:36:33 PM »
Frank must had his reasons to make her waiting, remember he is sixity, so is not pressed by his hormones and the charcateristic impatience of the young age.

Henry Fonda may have been 60 when he made the movie, but Frank is a considerably younger man. Mid-40s, I'd guess, just old enough to start developing prostrate problems, but still young enough to get headaches from going without.....

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