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This one was a little hokey for me, more comedy and not as plausable (espcially the shots of the what seemed like 5,000 wild bunch, lol) I just don't rate it up there with the others.

For me anyway as soon as a SW pushes the reality envelope, I loose a little respect for it. For example I think it was maybe "Sabatta"?, that had the gun hidden in the banjo, or the troop of acrobats, or maybe both, that was to me more "Wild Wild West" ish. Take it with a grain of salt.

Sabata was a masterpiece compared to this.  Its as if Sergio decided to tear down everything that made his films great.  I turned it off halfway through.  2 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1973)
« on: February 25, 2020, 08:23:31 PM »
As I have stated earlier in this thread, Paulita and Pete Maxwell are distant relatives of my family.  This lead me to have high hopes for the movie.  My first gripe is Kristofferson as the lead.  His performance itself wasn't bad. The problem is his inclusion set the tone of the movie to more of a pretentious television affair.  His background being in music prevented me from taking this thing seriously. Bob Dylan's inclusion didn't help.  Next, the movie moved along at a long, slow pace with no plot development.  Yes, it was a simple story but it was predictable and boring. 

Peckinpah crammed a long list of western actors into this and it was a waste. The best scene was Katy Jurato and her scenes at the ambush.  James Coburn was well cast and did a fabulous job. The rest of it doesn't measure up in my opinion.  Peckinpah made two western masterpieces, Ride the High Country and The Wild Bunch.  This was nowhere near that level. 6 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: Soleil rouge aka Red Sun (1971)
« on: February 24, 2020, 10:20:27 PM »
A western that had a good premise and started well but was let down by a bad tone and slow,  boring plot.  Didn't like Bronson's character.  3 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: One-Eyed Jacks (1961)
« on: February 23, 2020, 09:59:00 AM »
A long time since I've seen it, I don't remember much.
My bad. I saw it on youtube.  Criterion has restored it.  I might get their version of it.   Very good western...

Other Films / Re: One-Eyed Jacks (1961)
« on: February 23, 2020, 12:00:34 AM »
This was a surprisingly good western.  The acting, directing, cinematography and music scoring were very good.   Brando's directing seems to be polarizing but it was pretty good in my opinion.  I rate it a solid 8 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: Along Came Jones (1945)
« on: February 20, 2020, 08:38:06 PM »
Bad plot and worse cinematography.  2 out 10.

Other Films / Re: They Passed This Way (1948) (Four Faces West)
« on: February 13, 2020, 06:42:28 PM »
Very good Western.  I was surprised.   The plot was very well done. Great location filming and cinematography. 

Other Films / Re: Man With The Gun (1955)
« on: January 22, 2020, 07:08:31 AM »
Better than expected.  Mitchum takes a well used plot and makes it work.  7 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: Fort Apache (1948)
« on: November 12, 2019, 08:37:00 PM »
2 out of 10... 

Other Films / Re: Blood on the Moon (1948)
« on: October 19, 2019, 08:25:39 PM »
This was average.  I liked Mitchum's character but the plot, look and feel of the film were off. It was too television hollywoody.  Some great on location filming in Sedona Arizona was wasted with this production.

On a side note, Pursued was a pretty good Mitchum western...

Other Films / Re: Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1973)
« on: July 11, 2019, 09:39:48 AM »
This film has special meaning for me.  Paulita Maxwell ( Billy the Kid's friend and some say girlfriend) and Peter Maxwell are distant cousins of mine thru their grandfather on their mother's side.   It was at Peter's home that Billy the Kid was shot.   Paulita later married Jose Jamirillo ( who also came from a powerful family) and had a son named Telesfor that is rumored to really be Billy's son but that has been denied by Paulita.  She also denied that she dated Billy but either way its a fact that she knew him personally and that Peter and Billy were close friends and Peter actually hired members of Billy's gang, the Regulators, to work on his farm. That whole area featured towns that were built on land owned by my distant cousin.  ( Fort Sumner, Cimarron, Rayado, etc.)

Paulita and Jose:

Peter Maxwell ( in the middle ):

Peter's Ranch:

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Branded to Kill (1967)
« on: May 29, 2019, 12:41:14 PM »

Sympathy for the Underdog (1971) Kinji Fukasaku was know for making bleak, violent no frills crime movies, but this one is a little more romantic or sympathetic (pun unintended) when addressing its leads - I think it's his best work and definitely one of the best Yakuza movies.

I almost forgot this one.  It looks interesting also. I will update you...

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Branded to Kill (1967)
« on: May 29, 2019, 08:26:14 AM »
The good thing is that if you can digest Branded to Kill, there are going to be a lot of great Yakuza movies to watch:

Youth of the Beast (1963) The most traditional and coherent of the famous unofficial Suzuki trilogy, very digestible on a first view.

Tokyo Drifter (1966) Suzuki basically makes an insane musical but with brawls and gunfights instead of showtunes - though there are some tunes in this one.

For Suzuki, I'd also recommend Fighting Elegy (1966). It's not a Yakuza film but it has plenty of insanity and action.

Pale Flower (1964) - One of my ten or so favorite movies. It might be the first of the quiet hitman subgenre. The B&W visuals are gorgeous.

Sympathy for the Underdog (1971) Kinji Fukasaku was know for making bleak, violent no frills crime movies, but this one is a little more romantic or sympathetic (pun unintended) when addressing its leads - I think it's his best work and definitely one of the best Yakuza movies.

Yakuza Graveyard (1976)  Fukasaku's Battles Without Honor and Humanity aka Yakuza Papers series is more popular, but this imo is better, obviously more concise and is a great crash course into Fukasaku.

Black Tight Killers (1966) If you loved Tokyo Drifter, this is a good companion piece. The best of the (non Suzuki) colorful, goofy and insane Japanese crime movies.

These aren't Yakuza movies but Kurosawa's High and Low (1963) is a masterpiece and for my money his best movies. The Bad Sleep Well (1960) and Stray Dog (1949) are his other (then) contemporary crime movies/thrillers. He was definitely a master but the work of his period films can be a little grating due to the acting and customs. To me, Kurosawa's crime movies are the way to go, and at the very least, the best introduction to his work.

I got around to watching Pale Flower and High and Low.  Both are masterpieces.  Pale Flower predated Le Samourai and looks like it MIGHT have influenced it.  They are both similar as far as the subject matter and the Samourai Code. The director of Pale Flower said he got the inspiration for that film from a scene in " Odds Against Tomorrow".  Pale Flower is just a gorgeous masterpiece.  The cinematography, scoring and acting are fabulous.

High and Low is just hands down one of the best crime/noir films I've seen.  Again, you get a grittier version of the American Noir.  The cinematography, plot and acting are just fabulous here.  Its funny that Kurosawa  is known more for his Japanese " period" films, but so far I'm liking his noirs better.  " The Bad Sleep Well" was on its way to being a masterpiece until he derailed it with a ending that the Hays Code would have been proud of.

I'm looking at more Yakuza films and will post the updates...

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: High Sierra (1941)
« on: March 17, 2019, 05:40:59 AM »
Not a good movie.  6 out of 10...

Other Films / Re: Return of the Seven (1966)
« on: March 08, 2019, 04:34:48 PM »
The original was actually pretty good until they got to the climatic fight scene.  You had a movie full of bluster and then they bust out with cap guns.  Sam Peckinpah made The Wild Bunch partially as a response to it...

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