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Trivia Games / Something interesting...
« on: May 08, 2005, 08:25:35 PM »
I was reading the Trivia for Leone's movies on IMDB and I came accross something interesting:


When Henry Fonda was trying to decide whether to be in this film, he asked his friend Eli Wallach, who had just made Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966) with Sergio Leone, if he should take the part of Frank. Wallach said that he had to do it and told Fonda, "You will have the time of your life."

For DYS:

When James Coburn (who had been offered roles in Per un pugno di dollari (1964) and C'era una volta il West (1968)) was offered the role of Sean by Leone, he was initially reluctant. He had dinner with Henry Fonda (star of "Once Upon A Time In The West"), and asked him what he thought of Leone. Fonda told him that he considered Leone the greatest director he ever worked with. Coburn then took the part.

Is there any truth to these claims? If so that's interesting :o

Whether it was written, directed or "half directed" by him(Like the Pompeii movie).

I've been wanting to see Last Days of Pompeii and Colossus of Rhodes, but I see quite a few other movies to his name as a writer and director, like Sodom and Gamorrah and I was wondering what everyone's favorite pre-FOD film was? 8)

And by this I don't mean as just an assistant or second unit director, like Ben Hur.

Once Upon A Time In America / What was the political talk about?
« on: May 02, 2005, 10:08:40 PM »
Sometimes I get confused with a lot of politics in movies and with OUATIA I don't think I understand anything at all concerning that Irish fellow and that "Capitalists vs. Socialists" theme.

Starting with Noodles watching the news report, what's the whole political story in the movie?

General Discussion / "Best" Leone beating scene
« on: May 02, 2005, 01:23:48 PM »
By best I mean most cringeworthy, best choreographed, most realistic, best for the plot, etc.

I vote Tuco for the above reasons, but it moves the plot along more, giving it more purpose.

Though the Max and Noodles beating is most cringeworthy to me :-X The brass knuckles, the chain around the neck, the carriage wheel, the punch to the balls, those do it for me.

For a Few Dollars More / Mariachi horns at the end
« on: April 30, 2005, 06:34:48 PM »
What is the name of the theme song with the mariachi horns at the end of FFDM? I usually see it as the "Musical Pocketwatch" but I've only ever heard it alone or with the organs in the church, but I like the mariachi horn one the most 8)

That's probably my most favorite Morricone score using mariachi horns that I've ever heard.

By the way, are there any sites where I could download wavs of Morricones stuff? If not, could someone send me a .flac or shn of that theme with Please! If you have the time and internet connection of course and do that sort of thing all the time :)

Off-Topic Discussion / What do all these terms mean?
« on: April 27, 2005, 03:03:17 PM »
"Populist" "Art-house" "Film noir" and several others mentioned to categorize films.

Duck, You Sucker / Wow, this movie is genius!
« on: April 27, 2005, 02:22:28 PM »
I had been bed ridden for the past two days due to a cold, so I watched OUATITW and I had received DYS in the mail on that day(I was doing a Leone marathon), so I popped this in after I was done with OUATITW.

It was very entertaining for the first 20 minutes or so and then I thought "What the hell!?" because the plot seemed so thin, the whole thing with the bank robbing plot was kind of weak and done before and it seemed so low budget-like and I'm used to Leone's movies getting bigger and bigger and more serious by the movie and I didn't expect Leone to go back to the Fistful of Dollars style and budget.

So I sat back and enjoyed what I could, but when they arrived at Santa Verde(That's what it's called, right?) I was amazed at how everything was just turned on its head! From then on to the end of the movie I was amazed at how great and entertaining it was. The epic scale, the story, etc., I didn't even want it to end. I was glad, and surprised, at how great and long the movie really was. The last thing I was expecting from watching Juan and Sean's cat and mouse game was for it to become a serious, emotional movie about revolution/war and the relationship between two men on such a big scale.

My appreciation for Leone went up a million times a million. The whole concept of making it seem mediocre and low budget-y and then slowly turning it into something really big and serious is so unexpected and genius. It's like Sergio's Stairway to Heaven. It starts off going in one direction and then at the blink of an eye going in a totally different one at the halfway mark and ends with a grand finale.

Did anyone else here feel that way when watching the movie? When people comment on how this movie is on the level of FFDM and that it's Leone's weakest film, sometimes I think that they didn't really watch the whole thing.

Off-Topic Discussion / Good WWII books?
« on: April 23, 2005, 05:01:18 PM »
I was thinking of picking up 900 Days: The Siege of Leningrad and I was wondering what other great WWII books were out there? Not history books, but books about people's accounts of WWII or even fictional books. But not soldier's stories, stories like The Pianist, etc. I like those kind of stories. :)

Trivia Games / Once Upon a Time in America location in commercial
« on: April 22, 2005, 09:45:57 AM »
There's a commercial out there with the same exact shot as the front cover of OUATIA. Which one is it? ;)

General Discussion / How much is known of Leone's unmade movies?
« on: April 18, 2005, 02:12:01 PM »
All I know of is the 900 Days opening shots and the fact that De Niro would've been in it :(

I once heard that he was thinking of making a Civil War movie. Several people here once mentioned how they read an excerpt of the script in some magazine or something. Does anyone remember or have the magazine article? :o

On the whole subject of war movies, does anyone here think he might've been planning a war trilogy?

Sergio Leone News / Cheaper prices for the R2 DVDs
« on: March 20, 2005, 04:24:53 PM »
If I was to buy the R2 DVDs here in the U.S. I would have to spend $82.00! I was wondering if there were any places on the net that sells them cheaper for people in other countries? I'm pretty sure there's some fellow out there that gets the DVDs for wholesale price and sells them for people who couldn't buy them anywhere else without spending a crazy amount of money.

By the way, I'm talking about the Special Edition DVDs coming out soon in the U.K.

I was watching the extended version today and a few things stuck out to me that I hadn't caught before.

For one, I always noticed the dog on the beginning and at the end(In the graveyard) but during the scene where Angel Eyes is at the confederate hospital/camp I noticed the black dog again. Does that dog pop up in any other scenes? It's really not a big deal, but I think it's interesting how that black dog has appeared three times. Though they say that the one on the beginning is a coyote, but it's too far away to tell, really.

If I'm correct, Leone was Catholic, right? I've noticed some very direct Biblical references in his movies, and when Tuco said "Even when Judas hung himself there was a storm..." and when he said that I remembered Cheyenne's quote in OUATITW "Judas was content for 4970 dollars less." and of course the Jesus and Marisol reference in FOD is obvious.

Leone is the master of subtlety! I think it's amazing how he's able to put little things irrelevant ot the plot in his movies yet they make the movies even more better because they're there, kind of like the way he always has stuff going on outside of windows that have nothing to do with what's going on in the room the camera is in, like the scenes at the Union camp.

Has anyone else here ever noticed things that run through a movie or trilogy(Or all six movies) that just very subtle but are fun to find?

General Discussion / Funniest moments in a Leone film?
« on: March 10, 2005, 05:27:10 PM »
For a guy who could make some of the most violent, gritty or saddest scenes in movie history, some scenes made me laugh my ass off and rewind it over and over again, and sometimes I don't even think they were intentionally funny.

-The scene where one of Cheyenne's(Or is it Frank's?) men squishes the guy's nose during the auction in the salloon.
-The horse mouthing Clint's lines when Manco and Mortimer meet up before the Col. gives Manco the scar
-The old man in FFDM who bends his chin(!!!)

And of course almost everything Tuco says when Blondie first turns him in ;D

I was thinking - Since Leone is one of the greatest and most accurate cinema storytellers of America's west and L'Amour is one of the greatest literary storytellers of America's west, we would have had one hell of a movie if Leone decided to adapt one of L'Amours novels to the big screen :o

Now, let's say that after DYS Leone decided to do a standalone "film on the side" outside of his Once Upon a Time trilogy and he had a big stack of L'Amour novels to go through. Which one do you think he would've turned into a movie? I think The First Fast Draw would've been a kick ass Leone movie. Very gritty, a very "Harmonica"-type character. With some Leone-ish changes put into it, it would've been one hell of a movie.


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