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For a Few Dollars More / Re: Who thinks that this is best out of all 3??
« on: January 23, 2010, 08:16:21 PM »
I would rate this one first because it has the best storyline of the three and the whole genre's most memorable villain, indeed the most memorable gang of villains, although it is LVC who ambles away with the picture.  GBU, like OUTW, was an epic so not as directly comparable with FDM.  GBU had better cinematography, I think, and was well served by all of Clint, LVC and Eli.  But I must come back to the storyline which in GBU was essentially very simple and rather predictable once the three main characters and the mysterious Bill Carson were established.  In FDM, the latent motive of Mortimer provides a brilliant sub-plot which transcends what would otherwise be a straightforward tale of bounty hunters seeking and infiltrating a gang of bandits.  FDM also has fascinating aspects like Mortimer's arsenal and the myriad of characters making up Indio's gang.

Plus, it came before GBU and it established the stylistic impact that was hinted at, but not completely achieved, in FOD; and was inherited by GBU and OUTW.  FDM was a truly ground-breaking movie.

As an aside, I agree with Rubio's comment about Clint in FDM.  I thought Manco was his weakest character, completely overshadowed by Mortimer to the point of being a useful accessory.  He was much better in GBU where he worked well with Eli, these two complementing each other as "good" and ugly counterpoints to the bad.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Why Was Indio Sent To Prison?
« on: January 23, 2010, 07:45:34 PM »
Tomaso's baby daughter was Francesca Leone, daughter of the great man and now a painter.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: RIP Jean Simmons
« on: January 23, 2010, 07:33:40 PM »
A beautiful actress who also shone in The Big Country.  Strange thing is that, only last weekend, my missus and me were watching The Way to the Stars in which Jean, then a teenager, made a brief cameo as a singer and I asked my wife if she could name her.  She knew the face but it took a couple of seconds to recall the name.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: NFL 2008
« on: January 23, 2010, 07:25:47 PM »
Nice to see you too, Groggy, though it's been another while.  I'm much more confident about Viking prospects now.  Maybe not this time, but I figure our first Superbowl will be in the next 13 months.  Okay, now you can laugh.  ;D

Trivia Games / Re: Bandit Spotting 'Help Monco with his adding'
« on: January 23, 2010, 07:15:00 PM »
Hey, whaddya know? Someone changed the spelling on Wikipedia to "Huey"!   ::)

I got another gripe an' that's with you, Groggy.  Save your bullets, hombre, an' leave my spurs alone.   In fact, Groggy, I figure you for an Arsenal fan?  Going around shooting Spurs up!    :D

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: January 23, 2010, 07:01:44 PM »
The sliding gun is a good one.  I can't recall it being done in any films earlier than MDC but, as you say, it became something of a genre convention.  A variation on it was the underhand throw of the pistol to a friend, as in Jubal from Charles Bronson to Glenn Ford.

Trivia Games / Re: Bandit Spotting 'Help Monco with his adding'
« on: January 21, 2010, 03:42:50 PM »
Hey, I just realised.  Wikipedia spelt my name wrong.  It's Huey, not Hughie!

An' I notice the contributor is called "Douglas Mortimer"!!

Trivia Games / Re: Bandit Spotting 'Help Monco with his adding'
« on: January 21, 2010, 03:37:32 PM »
According to, the gang members were:

Luigi Pistilli as Groggy, member of Indio's gang
Klaus Kinski as Juan Wild, the hunchback, member of Indio's gang
Benito Stefanelli as Hughie (aka Luke), member of Indio's gang
Mario Brega as Niño, member of Indio's gang
Aldo Sambrell as Cuchillo, member of Indio's gang
Antonio Molino Rojo as Frisco, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
Eduardo Garcia as unnamed member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
Enrique Santiago as Miguel, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
Frank Brana as Blackie, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
José Canalejas as Chico, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
Luis Rodríguez as Manuel, member of Indio's gang
Nazzareno Natale as Paco, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)
Panos Papadopulos as Sancho Pérez, member of Indio's gang
Werner Abrolat as Slim, member of Indio's gang (uncredited)

The interesting one is Eduardo Garcia, name of character unknown, who is among The Smoker's "names left over from credits" above.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: 30 Westerns in Once
« on: January 21, 2010, 03:22:46 PM »
I watched My Darling Clementine the other day and I would say this film heavily influenced Leone with some of the scenes in Flagstone resembling those in Tombstone:

  • When Cathy Downs checks into the hotel in Tombstone, Fonda suggests to the hotelier that he should organise some hot water for her so she can take a bath.  In the hotel at Flagstone, Claudia is very intent on taking her bath in a tub of hot water.
  • In the Flagstone hotel, Fonda looks as if he has just left the Tombstone barber shop again (and I believe a scene in a barber shop was filmed for OUTW but then deleted).
  • The partly built church in MDC is the model for several incomplete buildings at Flagstone.
  • The horse and buggy driven by Ward Bond into Monument Valley is reprised by Sam in OUTW.
  • Both films feature a man who is terminally ill with tuberculosis: Victor Mature and Gabriele Ferzetti.
  • An oblique reference but the way they laid out the McBain family's bodies on dining tables is reminiscent of Chihuahua being laid out on a saloon table for her operation, after which she died.
  • Downs and Cardinale both arrive in town looking for a man they loved and have now lost.

For a Few Dollars More / Re: Why Was Indio Sent To Prison?
« on: January 21, 2010, 02:52:36 PM »
Very interesting topic.  I figure that Tomaso was a gang member who betrayed Indio to the law and ran off with a sum of cash.  And I also figure that Indio was about to hang, so the gang stepped in and rescued him.  As for Groggy, definitely the smartest member of the gang and the obvious successor to Indio, I figure he was biding his time all along. 

I figure.   8)

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: The four gunmen with Frank at the arch
« on: December 24, 2008, 06:42:22 AM »
Former friends, maybe, but they were helping Frank to hang Harmonica's brother.  Moving the story along, these four and Frank must have rode away and left Harmonica to bury his brother.  Harmonica must have spent years tracking them down.

Once Upon A Time In The West / The four gunmen with Frank at the arch
« on: December 24, 2008, 01:16:46 AM »
We know that Frank has killed Dave Jenkins, Calder Benson, Jim Cooper and Chuck Youngblood.  How does Harmonica know these names and why are they special to him?  Could they have been the four men who were with Frank at the arch? 

Harmonica must have tracked all five of the men who killed his brother.  Did he find that the other four had all been killed off by Frank.  Knowing their names, he quoted them to Frank, possibly to spook him, as Frank would recall that those four were with him at the hanging.

Off-Topic Discussion / Re: NFL 2008
« on: December 23, 2008, 11:43:44 PM »
I ain't got no fingernails left this season.  Ever since the great shootout with the James Gang at Northfield, Minnesota, I've been a Vikings fan.  Can we hold off the Bears?

Web Site Announcements / Re: Okay, you guys, how do I change the avatar?
« on: December 23, 2008, 11:38:13 PM »
No, old man, I was just having a little trouble with my avatar.  But it's all right now.

Once Upon A Time In The West / Re: Jill has an annoying voice in English
« on: December 14, 2007, 05:43:31 PM »
I have no problem with Claudia's voice but I wonder if she was the right actress for the part of a whore?  I reckon someone like Anna Magnani or Irene Papas would have given the character the fire and intensity you would expect of a woman whose hopes and dreams had been destroyed; and who was now herself in mortal danger.  I've always felt that Claudia and Fonda (who was no villain) were weak links in this film, but fortunately there was the sheer presence of Bronson, Robards and Ferzetti.

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