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General Discussion / Re:Native Americans
« on: December 27, 2002, 08:14:02 PM »
I'm probably misstaken, but I seem to remember ABC wshowing GBU earlier in the 70's than that.

General Discussion / Re:Kurosawa and his libel case with Leone
« on: December 26, 2002, 06:53:04 AM »
If I remember correctly, there was some sort of cash payoff from UA to MGM so that the other 2 movies could get released(they were already 2+ yrs old and hits elsewhere by the time they were released in the USA) I'm sure some others here would have more definitive details. The irony of it is that MGM and UA merged in the '80's with Ted Turner's  buying frenzies.

General Discussion / Re:Kurosawa and his libel case with Leone
« on: December 26, 2002, 06:35:39 AM »
The reason no name is listed in the credits for screenwriter is that the story was a literal translation of YOJIMBO and contained many of the same scenes and plot points.  Leone's film was delayed in it's worldwide release because of this suit. I believe I read where MGM, which had released YOJIMBO in the USA, had a hand in this. Once the copyright problems were resolved and FISTFUL was released, the other 2 "Dollars" films followed in rapid succession

Other Films / Re:Sergio Corbucci: the westerns and the rest
« on: November 22, 2002, 08:47:28 PM »
Are any of these films out on DVD?

COMPANEROS and SILENCE are available from --COMPANEROS has some nice interviews, SILENCE has alt. ending.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:GBU Score/Anti-war
« on: November 14, 2002, 08:21:50 PM »
Very seldom does a film composer get the opportunity to work with a director who understands the value of the score to the overall work.  Hitchcock/Herrmann, Fellini/Rota, Leone/Morricone are three of the best examples. And in each case, these were outstanding composers who added to the works of great directors. Herrmann and Morricone elevated other films, but their music was not as integrated as it was in the symbiotic films they did with the aforementioned directors.
All that being said, I think the Leone/Morricone collaboration on OUATITWEST is even better that GBU. Frank's first appearance was at the Mc Bain ranch and Jill's ride to the ranch are two of the best musical interludes I've ever seen.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Box office dollars
« on: November 14, 2002, 03:56:19 PM »
KC, check and see if that's the "domestic" gross(meaning North American) The numbers you quote seem like they are close to the ones I've seen elsewhere for US box office. The worldwide grosses are much higher. Check the "box office mojo" board that was posted above. So far it's the best online source I've come across.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Box office dollars
« on: November 12, 2002, 09:20:18 PM »
That might be true when adjusted for inflation, but  GOLDENEYE and TOMORROW NEVER DIES both did around $350 mill worldwide.
When you consider that BUTCH CASSIDY made over $100 mill in the USA in '69 you realize how far down the boxoffice scale the LEONE pictures were. Of course, I can't sit through 30 seconds of RAINDROPS KEEP FALLIN' and half the so called action directors of today are trying to be Sergio...
Most of the sw's were financially successful because they were a low cost genre product. Even the ones considered flops(ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST and DUCK YOU SUCKER among them) made money.
I would guess less than a quarter of the Italian westerns made were released in the United States.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Box office dollars
« on: November 12, 2002, 08:46:27 PM »
That's what it said on the dvd or laserdisc(can't recall right now)But I do remember that post-GOLDFINGER the franchise was so big, the BEATLES came to watch Connery film scenes for THUNDERBALL.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly / Re:Box office dollars
« on: November 12, 2002, 01:21:26 PM »
I'm not sure $6 million was HUGE when you consider  the JAMES BOND films were grossing over $100 million at the time(THUNDERBALL $140 million worldwide in '66 according to dvd ) In fact, OHMSS was considered a failure in '69 when it did around $70 million.
Since these are the films that often times get compared to the Leone films as cultural milestones of the '60's...well there was a big difference in take at the turnstile. In fact, I'm sure more people know of GBU from the music than ever having seen the film.
The return on investment may have been higher for the SW's since the Leone films were so cheaply made, but the box office dollar volume was not  high for it's time.

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